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PostPosted: 16:02 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Uk Law for Riding 50cc aged 17 with a CBT Reply with quote

So, iv been riding for about a year now and been pulled over/spoken to about 5 times, mostly just checking for information on my bike.

today the officer said i need to change the K&N filter and sports exhaust back to stock, since they voide the insurance.

aswell as putting L plates back on ( i had the front one on and the magnet on the back, i just took it off when the bike was in bits)

since im 17, insted of changing everything back to stock, could i just phone the insurance company and say im de-restricting it and ride around like it is?
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

they dont void your insurance anyway mate.

Theyre simply modifications. your allowed upto 11bhp (or maybe 13?) and i severely doubt your riding a ped kicking that out.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalforever wrote:
they dont void your insurance anyway mate.

Theyre simply modifications. your allowed upto 11bhp (or maybe 13?) and i severely doubt your riding a ped kicking that out.


well thats what the police officer said to me.

i know if i dont do anything and get stopped again, i would be in trouble, what am i ment to do?
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ask him how it invalidates your insurance!

like i say at 17 your allowed to ride a bike upto 125cc's and puttin out no mroe than 11bhp. (although the law doesnt dictate whether this is at the crank or wheel)

Your 50cc ped wont be putting out more than 8bhp i bet, even with those items correctly jetted.

Your bike is the same bike, therefore the insurance is valid, however the modifications should be listed to the insurer. However, i dont and think very few people do.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

If the insurance company know about them and accept them then no it doesn't void your insurance. You are allowed 11kw (just under 15hp) at 17 on a provisional.

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PostPosted: 16:17 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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If the insurance company know about them and accept them then no it doesn't void your insurance. You are allowed 11kw (just under 15hp) at 17 on a provisional.

All the best

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so should i phone my insurance company and tell them, or put the bike back to stock, keeping in mind im gona have to go and buy the standard airfilter and the stock exhaust is awfullllll
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has the bike been re-registered as a light motorcycle, or is it still registered as a moped?
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalforever wrote:
ask him how it invalidates your insurance!

like i say at 17 your allowed to ride a bike upto 125cc's and puttin out no mroe than 11bhp. (although the law doesnt dictate whether this is at the crank or wheel)

Your 50cc ped wont be putting out more than 8bhp i bet, even with those items correctly jetted.

Your bike is the same bike, therefore the insurance is valid, however the modifications should be listed to the insurer. However, i dont and think very few people do.


i didnt plan on sitting around arguing about it, since i was in the wrong with the L plates and thats 3 points.

he checked my insurance and knew i had a cbt and the type of bike, so i asumed he knew the insurance is for a rstricted 3bhp tzr 50.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

truslack wrote:
Has the bike been re-registered as a light motorcycle, or is it still registered as a moped?

as far as i know its still a moped as i only have a cbt licence.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

so...

If i buy an aprilia rs 50 brand new - moped

and put a K&N filter and de-resctict the exhaust - it then comes a light motorcycle?
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalforever wrote:
ask him how it invalidates your insurance!



Wouldn't push it if riding about with L plates missing as you could end up with having 3 points for each one. Would just let them get on with the lecture then ride off thanking your lucky stars they didn't fine for it. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
metalforever wrote:
ask him how it invalidates your insurance!



Wouldn't push it if riding about with L plates missing as you could end up with having 3 points for each one. Would just let them get on with the lecture then ride off thanking your lucky stars they didn't fine for it. Wink


Yeh thats what happend, but what now, whats my next step?

i still wona be able to ride my bike, but i cant with it as it is.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

assuming the bike is still under the accepted power ratio for your age then as far as police are concerned you are insured.

The validity of your insurance can only be questioned by the insurance company, undeclared mods could render it null and void, however they would still pay out any third party costs in an incident and could then look to recoup from you.

As you are under 17 and therefor have/are paying your insurence in advance (no HP credit option) I seriously doubt they will be interested unless there is an incident, however if you do declare it to them expect them to either increase the insurance premium or not be in a position to cover you.

Your call either way, but returning to stock would probably be the cheapest option, whilst you would not worry about getting a further tug.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hutchysrs50 wrote:
so...

If i buy an aprilia rs 50 brand new - moped

and put a K&N filter and de-resctict the exhaust - it then comes a light motorcycle?


A moped is classified as a 50cc bike restricted to 30mph, so as soon as it is over this, it is a motorcycle.

The policeman could have meant one of two things:

1. He thought you were 16 and that because your moped had these items it was no longer restricted to 30mph and so not inline with your license, which invalidates your insurance.

2. He knew you hadn't declared the items, which could also invalidate your insurance in case of a claim.

Either of these seem tenuous, as a sports exhaust won't change the performance unless it's derestricted anyway, and he has no reason to suspect you haven't declared it.

Somehow he has missed the point that you're 17 aswell?

To make sure you are riding legally:

Phone your insurance company and tell them- About the modifications to your bike, and that it is no longer restricted to 30mph (if it isn't). Then your insurance is valid!
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somehow he has missed the point that you're 17 aswell?

To make sure you are riding legally:

Phone your insurance company and tell them- About the modifications to your bike, and that it is no longer restricted to 30mph (if it isn't). Then your insurance is valid![/quote]

he knew i was 17

he said somthing like the K&N filter adds 1BHP and the insurance company dont know about it, and told me return it to stock.

im just on my insurance company website now, iv ticked the modification box, but i cant see anything about de-restricting or K&N/air filters...
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be another page which lets you choose the modifications. If in doubt, phone Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pickledswede wrote:
There should be another page which lets you choose the modifications. If in doubt, phone Thumbs Up


yeh i think im gona phone them.

i just got a whole new quote and i had to tick the "tuned engine" box

One Payment £253.60
Or by Instalments: Initial Payment Monthly Instalments
£68.40 9 x £26.45

i pay more than that now with it bein "restricted" and having "no modifications!!"
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pickledswede wrote:



A moped is classified as a 50cc bike restricted to 30mph, so as soon as it is over this, it is a motorcycle.


so if i declare the mods so my tzr 50 can go over 30mph, i cant ride it on my cbt licence?

yet i can get ride a bigger rs 125 that will do about 60mph restricted? (guessing)

wheres the logic in that?
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hutchysrs50 wrote:
so if i declare the mods so my tzr 50 can go over 30mph, i cant ride it on my cbt licence?

yet i can get ride a bigger rs 125 that will do about 60mph restricted? (guessing)


No, derestricted it is a motorcycle, just the same as an RS125 or a ZZR1400. However it still has less than 11kW so should be OK to be ridden on a CBT.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:23 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hutchysrs50 wrote:
so if i declare the mods so my tzr 50 can go over 30mph, i cant ride it on my cbt licence?

yet i can get ride a bigger rs 125 that will do about 60mph restricted? (guessing)


No, derestricted it is a motorcycle, just the same as an RS125 or a ZZR1400. However it still has less than 11kW so should be OK to be ridden on a CBT.

All the best

Keith


Thanks thats what i wanted to hear Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
No, derestricted it is a motorcycle

Keith


hm sorry to go back to this again, i just want to be sure as i really dont want points on my licence, car insurance is enough as it is.

do i need to register it to the dvla or anything saying its now de-restricted and can go over 30mph now or anything like that?
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hutchysrs50 wrote:
do i need to register it to the dvla or anything saying its now de-restricted and can go over 30mph now or anything like that?


Technically probably yes.

I specifically put my YSR50 down as a motorcycle when the options included moped.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:51 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hutchysrs50 wrote:
do i need to register it to the dvla or anything saying its now de-restricted and can go over 30mph now or anything like that?


Technically probably yes.

I specifically put my YSR50 down as a motorcycle when the options included moped.

All the best

Keith


Well!!!

Iv just checked my logbook

Body Type: moped
tax class: bicycle
Cylinder capacity: 49cc
type of fuel: petrol
nuber of seats: 2
wheelplan: 2-wheel
Max. Net Power(kW) 1


im guessing i have to tell the dvla that it has more power than 1kW, simce im getting insured for more than that?
whats the best way of doing this?

am i likely to get into any trouble from any of this?
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does your counterpart license have category A listed on it? If you've been riding since 16 chances are it will just have 'p' which is moped. You'll need to get A added to ride anything bigger. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil.martin wrote:
Does your counterpart license have category A listed on it? If you've been riding since 16 chances are it will just have 'p' which is moped. You'll need to get A added to ride anything bigger. Thumbs Up


do i have to do a test for that??

does it cost anything?

how do i do it?
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