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waspy
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Government statutory payment. Injustice!! Reply with quote

Well I am very angry. Evil or Very Mad

Check this out.

My lovely scooter which is SORNED as I have a new bgger bike was STOLEN by *********************************!!!!
They broke the chain and the steering lock then wheeled it away to try and start it via the old hot wire method. They couldn't start it as I had removed the Motor relay aha!! Middle Finger

They dumped it at the side of the road not more than a mile away from where I had it stored.

Meanwhile I was in ignorant bliss.....
Until that is I go to work & have to return a phone call to the Thames Police.
em what??
Well they found it and took it to Egreget (incorrect spelling?) in Culham.

What they failed to tell me was that I would have to pay £150.00 to get it back and as I couldn't collect it until a couple of days later, they charge you an extra £10 per day, I have to pay a total of £200.

Why i did not do anything wrong???
Ths is completely unreasonable!!

Do I really have to pay or is there anything I can do apart from leaving it there as they would charge me an extra £50 to scrap it.

Thanx sarah
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Re: Government statutory payment. Injustice!! Reply with quote

Yea, unreasonable and a very good earner for the garages that offer this 'service'. Always specify when you find that it's stolen that you'll collect it yourself... hopefully it won't happen again, though Smile.

You do have to wonder who are the 'real criminals'... as the legal rules have meant that you have lots a lot more money due to the way the police work than to the actions of 'criminals'.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hay thanx for your reply.

The thing is the police didn't even ask me if they could take it I found out when I was told it was stolen that they had already taken it there!

Law criminals.


Thumbs Down Crying or Very sad Thumbs Down

Bring on the karma..... MF's
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can do better. My boys moped was dumped 20 yards from the house after they failed to get the lock off it. Good old Police phoned his mobile while he was at school and then had it taken away to the other side of Stoke, about 12 miles. It would of taken less than a minute to walk up to the house and knock on the door.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocking isn't it!

Bet there is some sort of minimum these compound companies have to 'rake' in each month.

When I go to pay I will find it difficult and I especially wont see them as compassionate human beings. what a job they have!!

Did you have to pay?
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are called Egertons ... and the police will remove directly, after they find it and have no reply from the owner, especially after 2 hours, as it is classed as an obstruction, and they need to get it out the way so no one else tries to steal it, or tries to set it on fire etc. (i work for the company in the middle between the police and the garages {Please dont hate me, trying to be helpful})

I know it sucks ... and Im sorry to hear your misfortune, hope you can get it back through your insurance company

Anymore help, let me know.

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PostPosted: 22:27 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

Yes the facts do shine a dewy light on it.
But it was SORNED so no insurance!

Plus I haven't done anything wrong so why oh why do I have to pay the same price as someone who deliberatly dumped a vehicle. The penalty for that seems fair enough but I dont deserve a penalty.

I dont hate you.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time I've had a motorbike stolen, to be fair the police actually tried to push it back for me as it was in a car park not far away - though it was stuck in gear with no clutch lever, so they left it half way and came and got me... at which point I had to make a point of half-running with it the rest of the way myself while they collapsed (I was used to bump-starting it that way, being a 650cc single it wasn't the easiest to push while in gear).
Not all police are bad... but these were small-town cops that possibly weren't quite as bad jobsworths.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

waspy wrote:
Did you have to pay?


No way of getting out of it. Really annoying since the moped only cost £200 when he brought it a year ago. To add insult to injury, and why the recovery companies are as much to blame, is the fact that the company who took it away offered to bring it back for £80. Would have been cheaper to stick it in a taxi.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 31 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Would have been cheaper to stick it in a taxi


Would of been more fun to stick it up.....

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PostPosted: 17:32 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

waspy wrote:
Plus I haven't done anything wrong so why oh why do I have to pay the same price as someone who deliberatly dumped a vehicle. The penalty for that seems fair enough but I dont deserve a penalty.

I dont hate you.


I can see your point totally ... its not your fault at all, and with no insurance (i was tired and it was late) Is it worth getting back is the question? They will simply scrap it after a statutory period ... so its up to what you think ... but if you dont want to pay it, it will get scrapped ... I know its not a nice way to think of it, but the only way to get out of paying it.

Sorry again, and glad you dont hate me ... just thought it was a topic i knew a bit about.

Take care,
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had the same thing with a dt i had stolen from me ended up paying out.

Surely there is a way we can prosecute them for holding a vehicle hostage.
Or even theft of a motor vehicle as you did not give them any permision to move or store the vehicle.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What scooter is it?

If it aint worth much i wouldn't bother picking it up.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't matter what it's worth, it's her bloody scooter.

"You're a victim of crime?"
"Well that's 200 quid please pal"

Should be illegal, I dunno why it isn't. You don't see the coppers charging you for the time they spent transporting the crim who just mugged you to prison.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

just out of intrest. what can they do if you steal it from the reclaimation yard or wherever it is?
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they left it where it was after seeing it was obviously stolen and couldnt get hold of the keeper then it got stolen again people would moan about that too.

If police find stolen property it is taken to the police station for safe keeping. Obviously vehicles cant be taken to the police station generally.

Trust me the police have absolutely nothin to gain by having it recovered, it is done to protect you property.

What would you say if it was found burnt out and the police said "well we saw it there earlier but just left it"

I guarantee there would be a thread moaning about the police wankers

In normal circumstances your insurance would cover these costsm but then if its not insured thats the risk you take unfortunately.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt: If you manage to do that... you walk in with cheque book in hand and say "I've come to pay to have my bike released, but I'd like to see it first" Smile.


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In normal circumstances your insurance would cover these costsm but then if its not insured thats the risk you take unfortunately.

Except in a case like this it would probably be less than the excesses. Fine if you've got a £20k car that's been mullered, less good otherwise.
After the car accident I was in ages ago I was charged nearly £500 to be allowed to take my stuff out of the car and trailer, which were scrap. At the time, I offered to use my own recovery, but the police weren't having any of it.
I strongly suspect someone's getting a very good backhander to hand out these contracts for police storage.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if it was left there and taken again burnt he would have lost it completely. At least now he still has the bike even if it cost a couple of hundred quid. You cant expect the recovery company to go round doing it for free.

G, i do love your conspiracy theories i really do. It is just laughable. the met have their own recovery trucks as well as using a variety of different recovery agents dependent on the area. There is no conspiracy.

Unfortunatey as long as there are arseholes out there that try and steal other peoples stuff decent honest people are gonna lose out.

I had my GSXR1000 stolen, less than a year old. As a result i lost a few hundred pound in the ins. excess, bigger premium the next year and to top it off i had to sell my Ducati because of the theft claim and not being able to afford to renew it this year.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

To add a bit more detail the Police did phone the house, which was twenty yards away. Conversation:

"Hello this is ***** from North Staffordshire Police, is Richard home?"
"No, he's at school can I help?"
"Do you have any other contact numbers for him?"
"He has a mobile, is there a problem?"
"Nothing to worry about, can I take his number?"
"Its ***********, I'm his Mom, whats the matter?"
"Nothing important, we just want to talk to him"
"Is he in trouble?"
"No, thanks for your help"

Does that sound like someone being helpful? I find it amazingly hard to believe that they were unable to match the address they had on record with the house just down the road. Even more surprising is that the call confirmed that someone was at home and they still failed to knock on the door. When I complained they simply stated that they had to follow procedure.

This is where I get petty. I took it upon myself to collect the 'portable' SLOW POLICE signs that they leave in the road. I feel that they were causing an obstruction and were at risk of being set on fire or stolen. After collecting a certain number my wife said I had to give them back, unfortunately the local Police station is only manned for a few hours each day and there was no one there. Boredom brought on by a broken ankle means that I only have one left, I'm saving it for a special occasion.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
To add a bit more detail the Police did phone the house, which was twenty yards away. Conversation:

"Hello this is ***** from North Staffordshire Police, is Richard home?"
"No, he's at school can I help?"
"Do you have any other contact numbers for him?"
"He has a mobile, is there a problem?"
"Nothing to worry about, can I take his number?"
"Its ***********, I'm his Mom, whats the matter?"
"Nothing important, we just want to talk to him"
"Is he in trouble?"
"No, thanks for your help"

Does that sound like someone being helpful? I find it amazingly hard to believe that they were unable to match the address they had on record with the house just down the road. Even more surprising is that the call confirmed that someone was at home and they still failed to knock on the door. When I complained they simply stated that they had to follow procedure.

This is where I get petty. I took it upon myself to collect the 'portable' SLOW POLICE signs that they leave in the road. I feel that they were causing an obstruction and were at risk of being set on fire or stolen. After collecting a certain number my wife said I had to give them back, unfortunately the local Police station is only manned for a few hours each day and there was no one there. Boredom brought on by a broken ankle means that I only have one left, I'm saving it for a special occasion.


Cant restore property to anyone other than the owner.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that was the case then why do they let the recovery companies remove the vehicle and store it on their private land, they aren't the owners?

This particular recovery company in Stoke had gone bankrupt a few weeks earlier and I climbed the fence of their 'secure' compound, somewhere 'round the top of Fenton, to get the phone number of their main office because there was no one there to release the bike. Doesn't instill confidence in procedure.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
If that was the case then why do they let the recovery companies remove the vehicle and store it on their private land, they aren't the owners?
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Thats recovered for safekeeping on behalf of the police not restored to somebody who the owner may or may not want to have it....
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

R6jonny wrote:

G, i do love your conspiracy theories i really do. It is just laughable. the met have their own recovery trucks as well as using a variety of different recovery agents dependent on the area. There is no conspiracy.

I wasn't aware the Met had their own recovery trucks; haven't seen any other police force with them. Must be a nice little earner for the Met, if they're charging the standard rates.
Not sure how you know that back-handers haven't been paid for private companies. It's quite regularly over newspapers how such things happen much further up government organisations, so I see no reason it wouldn't happen here.

Do you know the person that decides who gets these contracts well, then? If not, how do you know their isn't a bit of dodgyness going on?

Oh and in this case I wouldn't be surprised if the recovery fee is worth more than the bike. A bike (not mine) was stolen from my driveway a few years ago. I heard the owner tell the police to contact them if it was found and not have it recovered.
Get a call a day or two later to say it's at the recovery yard. £130 or something to get it out, sells for £60 later on. The police apologise, but the owner doesn't have the time to pursue trying to get the money back. Doubt it was a 'conspiracy' that they ignored the instructions in this case, but doesn't instil confidence, really.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd probably scrap the bike than submit and give them cash I could never afford.

It's all a big rip off aimed at distraught victims overcome with joy to realise. Plus, they realise there is a big opportunity to make serious cash by charging such excessive sums of money.

Not the first one by far. As an amusement machine supplier, my employers rely on the manufacturers for spares. These spares are such a blatant con it's unreal.

Why? Because we need them and we have no choice to pay it if we want that machine to work.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 01 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
R6jonny wrote:

G, i do love your conspiracy theories i really do. It is just laughable. the met have their own recovery trucks as well as using a variety of different recovery agents dependent on the area. There is no conspiracy.



Not sure how you know that back-handers haven't been paid for private companies. It's quite regularly over newspapers how such things happen much further up government organisations, so I see no reason it wouldn't happen here.

Do you know the person that decides who gets these contracts well, then? If not, how do you know their isn't a bit of dodgyness going on?

Oh and in this case I wouldn't be surprised if the recovery fee is worth more than the bike. A bike (not mine) was stolen from my driveway a few years ago. I heard the owner tell the police to contact them if it was found and not have it recovered.
Get a call a day or two later to say it's at the recovery yard. £130 or something to get it out, sells for £60 later on. The police apologise, but the owner doesn't have the time to pursue trying to get the money back. Doubt it was a 'conspiracy' that they ignored the instructions in this case, but doesn't instil confidence, really.


I presume you do know the ins and outs of these contracts then, as you are so sure it is all corrupt??

Im sure in some circumstances mistakes happen. As you say in that case the police apologised for their mistake.
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