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dandit
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: speedo calibration Reply with quote

right I have asked a copper and answer was don't know can't help you ( lot of bloody use he was) and I've asked an mot tester but got same reply so does anyone know where the hell I can get my speedo calibrated as I'm sure it's not reading right. Not that I'm that botherd or anything but it would be nice to know. Cheers for your help if I get any Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Some bike shops do have the equipment, but not many. Local dealers to me have (Chells), but only seen them use it once, and it might only be for speedos driven from the gearbox.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

So that means they can sort mine out to stop it over reading cos of the gearing?
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Probably not, just tell you how inaccurate yours it!

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 02:16 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: speedo Reply with quote

Cant you just ride along side a car ( not a modified nova Rolling Eyes ) and test it using hand signals??

If your realy bored, get a gps, and find a straight road. But you will have to have a constant speed for like 1 mile
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Re: speedo Reply with quote

Smoto Bob wrote:
Cant you just ride along side a car ( not a modified nova Rolling Eyes ) and test it using hand signals??


Car speedos are unlikely to be any more accurate than bike speedos.

All the best

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PostPosted: 09:39 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digital speedos for push bikes work very well apparently, far more accurate, you can get gps for £50 and a good one for £150ish (both e-bay) but to get a proper mounting for it add another £20-50

Its quite suppriseing to see how inacurate speedos are, indicated 70 is more like 64 on the cx... so when i'm on longer journeys i tend to rely on the gps for the speedo.

If you think about it this is a good performance mod Very Happy more speed for free!
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find speed trap.

Ride through at constant speed.

Work out speed error from the speed indicated on the ticket you get sent. Thumbs Up


Or, more sensibly, try this:

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How to measure your speedo error.
The method we suggest uses freeway markers, signs that are on many freeways showing 0 miles, 5 miles, 10 miles etc. The markers are laid by professional surveyors and are extremely accurate. Make sure your Yellow Box has all switches set to OFF (down) before doing this test.

Step 1. Stop at the first maker (0 miles) and reset your tripmeter.
Step 2. Drive to the next marker (5 miles) and stop and make note of your tripmeter reading. This should be accurate to the nearest 0.1 miles.
Step 3. If you want a more accurate reading, instead of stopping at the 5 mile marker, drive slowly past at 36 mph (or 36kph for kph speedos). At 36mph, each second equals 0.01 miles. If you count the seconds from passing the marker to your tripmeter clocking the next 0.1 digit, this will allow you to work out the trip meter reading to within 0.01 miles accuracy. This may sound complicated but can be done quite easily.

The Formula.
Now you have your speedo tripmeter reading over 5 miles, you can work out your speedo error. This is very simple.

Ratio = Indicated / Actual

Let’s say your indicated distance on your tripmeter was 5.45 miles, and you know the actual distance is 5 miles exact.

Ratio = 5.45 miles / 5 miles (so, Ratio = 1.09)


Other methds of measuring speedo error.
Some people measure their speedo error by comparing to a bicycle computer that has already been calibrated. Other popular methods include comparison with GPS systems, radar speed signs, even using a stopwatch over a measured distance. The method we recommend is the freeway marker system above. It gives good measurement over an exact distance.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

zero wrote:
Digital speedos for push bikes work very well apparently, far more accurate


They are still subject to the same errors as normal speedos, such as tyre inflation, tyre wear, tyre size and the tyre changing shape with speed and load.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Re: speedo Reply with quote

Smoto Bob wrote:


If your realy bored, get a gps, and find a straight road. But you will have to have a constant speed for like 1 mile


why?

my GPS has read right up to 198mph and it samples at 1 second intervals and is 100% accurate to the timing lights

at normal speeds it is easy to look at the indicated speed on the needle and compare it with the super accurate GPS which changes speed just like a normal digital speedo

alternatively, for modern bikes with electronic speedos a "Yellow Box" will recalibrate it for you, can also convert kmh to mph and account for gearing changes
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

zero wrote:
Digital speedos for push bikes work very well apparently


I had one on my mountain bike and really didn't think it was accurate.

50 mph on a pushbike is hard to reach, i just took it with a pinch of salt. Also It needs to be set to the correct diameter wheel. as a 10" wheel will spin alot more frequently as an 18" wheel.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put your bike on a dyno.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find out where your measured mile is and do a check against a stop watch the same as the Police check their calibration.

1 mile at 60 MPH should take exactly 1 minute and 1 mile at 30 will take two minutes, and if the speedo is accurate at these two speeds then it will generally be accurate across the speed range.

If you contact the Local Police traffic garage and ask them or the local authority they will happily tell you. You will see that they are little discs at the side of the carriageway (usually a dual) coloured in red and yellow with segments showing quarter, half, three quarter and full mile segments.

In Reading there are two measured miles, the main one is the A33 southbound Swallowfield Bypass just south of the cafe (and the same measured mile is in place on the north bound, and there is also a measured mile on the westbound M4 between junctions 11 and 12.

The actual distance is checked each year, and as I say these are the same measured miles that the Police use every Sunday to check the calibration of their speedo's.

If you are within a second or so, then your speedo is accurate enough as to make no odds.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trouble with using a GPS is...
GPS's don't measure your ground speed. They measure your speed in relation to the ground at sea level. This means that when you ride up and down a hill your GPS will give an innacurate reading due to it only measuring your position in two dimensions instead of three.

Do what TC said! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 28 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed @ Mark.

I'm off to visit a measured mile round here this afternoon then!
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 30 May 2004    Post subject: Re: speedo Reply with quote

Mr C wrote:

why?
my GPS has read right up to 198mph and it samples at 1 second intervals and is 100% accurate to the timing lights


lol my gps is for the plane Laughing doesnt update quite as fast Rolling Eyes

I always compair speeds agaist my dads car, cars seem to be far more consistant. They dont have differnt tire profiles and was using the right parts not some parts i found in the garage Smile. Matched the Cbr exactly before the gearing playing.

I am only checking for huge error's like my SR250 that read's 110 MPH Shocked that was fairly far out LMAO So i could work out what 70 actually was.

Think my klr is 10 mph out judging by traffic speed's

Going to look for those things Tc's said about that sounds usefull Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 31 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The trouble with using a GPS is...
GPS's don't measure your ground speed. They measure your speed in relation to the ground at sea level. This means that when you ride up and down a hill your GPS will give an innacurate reading due to it only measuring your position in two dimensions instead of three.

Do what TC said! Thumbs Up



you'd need like a really STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP hill for it to make that much difference though Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 01 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK can anyone explain/help with this one.

I have a CG125

Went for a ride with my old man (he was on his almost new blackbird)

When we got to where we were going he commented that I was a bit quick through the 40's and 50's

I didn't believe him as I was sat bang on 30, 40, 50 and 60 according to my speedo.

On the way back we did a little test and discovered that at:-

30 i was actually doing 30
40 i was actually doing 43/4
50 i was actually doing 54/5
60 i was actually doing 65

Now I am glad I discovered this cos I could have failed my test in spectacular style when I do it on my CG.

Can this be sorted or do I need to mark the speedo with the true speed locations?
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 01 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

and exactly how do you know that the Blackbird speedo is accurate
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 01 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is used for police purposes Wink
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 01 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

aha, ok then Cool
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 01 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was it a beat cop, or a traffic cop you asked?

I would ask a Traffic cop, as they have specific places they take their cars to check the speedo. Surely one of them will be able to assist you.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 01 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sloces wrote:
It is used for police purposes Wink


I'd hate to think it was vice versa! Twisted Evil All those misapplied speeding tickets. Doesn't bear thinking! Surprised
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 01 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that it's tested in an MOT...but having an overreading speedo is an offence isn't it?
But hey, my speedo only works half the time anyway... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 03 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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