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djsalt
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Failed MOT today - Replacing Handlebars ? Reply with quote

Update: 07.06.09

I was about to order some replacement handlebars, universal 22mm with 7"rise for bike (Handlebar 22mm (7/8 Inch) Chrome 7 Inch Rise from wemoto.com), when someone mentioned that they should probably have holes in them that the levers etc. bolt onto?
Is this true to CG125s and CB125 T's? If so can I not just use universal bars?

The bars i'm looking for are CM 125 T handlebars but I cant go the ebay route as I need to try and get it in for a retest quickly (and the bike isn't at my home so I cant look myself).

Yet again, any advice would be great.

Thanks all,

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Hi all,
Well my bike went in for an MOT, i've only owned it for about a month (hasn't been on the road) and have done some general servicing to it but there are quite a few problems!

(bike is a CD 125T, basically the same as an old 1985 Benly 125 but an import manufactured in 1995. Frame etc is same as CM 125 T).

Failures:

1. throttle cable sticking
2. both tyres are fitted incorrectly!
- apparently the front is fitted the wrong way around, and the back is incorrectly seated
3. Both footrests insecure (mentioned bar might need replacing - I know the rubbers arent very secure)
4. offside near footrest insecure (bloody bike has only ever had one seat)
5. replace number plate, it has deteriorated
6. handlebars bent (must have been dropped and I guess they need replacing).

Non-failures:
> rear tyre close to legal limit
> Head bearings have slight play

Took it to a Honda motorbike centre, they say 'They (due to company policy)' have to replace both tyres as they have been fitted incorrectly. Is this true, the front looks nearly new. Will the tyres have been weakened by fitting the wrong way (presume someone must have fitted them at home).

I think as long as I can get some of the parts second hand, like the handlebars and footrest bar all will be well. Anyone have some parts they want to sell me...

thanks in advance all


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PostPosted: 16:07 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

are the arrows poiting the right way on tyres
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, i dont have any parts for you but ebay is very very good source for parts. Honda should not replace your front tyre unless its been used a fair bit as running a tyre the wrong way round damages it. If its still newish they should take it off and put it the right way round. The handlebars being bent may affect the throttle cable because a had a bent handlebar on my nsr 125 and this cause my throttle to stick open effectively giving me cruise control lol. Also with your footpegs it may be possible just to go to honda and get new pins that hold the pegs on the frame possibly then tighten the rubbers up, hope this helps and good luck!
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Re: Failed MOT today - ouch, any advice would be great Reply with quote

djsalt wrote:

Failures:

1. throttle cable sticking
Take it off and oil it
2. both tyres are fitted incorrectly!
- apparently the front is fitted the wrong way around, and the back is incorrectly seated.
Get a new back one. Get the front one turned round (or learn to do it yourself).
3. Both footrests insecure (mentioned bar might need replacing - I know the rubbers arent very secure)
As I remember, they bolt on underneath so tighten the bolts. If the rubber is slipping then glue it in place.
4. offside near footrest insecure (bloody bike has only ever had one seat)

As above

5. replace number plate, it has deteriorated

New one. Nothing else for it.
6. handlebars bent (must have been dropped and I guess they need replacing).

I'm not absolutely certain this is an MOT fail. unless they are fouling bodywork or the metal is creased. I've certainly MOTed bikes with obviously and badly bent handlebars. Anyone?

That said, brand new replica ones are less than £25 from any of the big spares places. Almost all handlebars are the same tube diameter, if they aren't drastically higher or wider than the standard ones, you could fit pretty much anything.



Took it to a Honda motorbike centre, they say 'They (due to company policy)' have to replace both tyres as they have been fitted incorrectly. Is this true, the front looks nearly new. Will the tyres have been weakened by fitting the wrong way (presume someone must have fitted them at home).
Don't use a franchised dealer for stuff like that unless you have first lubed up for a good buggering in the wallet area. Either flip it round yourself (there will be a section in your Haynes showing you how to change a tyre) or go to a smaller, backstreet motorcycle/tyre place who will probably do it for nothing if you take in loose wheels and buy the new rear off them.

On a bigger, more powerful bike it would have been more of an issue. They tyre will almost certainly be designed for fitting one way round on the rear wheel and the other way round on the front wheel. ie. it isn't going to damage it.


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PostPosted: 16:49 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow so many replys already, thanks for the advice.

I wouldnt normally take a vehicle to a dealership, and i guess i kinda knew i should have taken some lube with me lol
reason being: simply no where near my house could book it in for over two weeks (and i was too impatient to wait..silly me yes)

I ended up driving from egham - reading where i work and commute to each day(30 miles). so now my bikes a long way from my driveway and tools!
dont think i can drive it home for 'repair' legally can i?
tomorrow honda are going to price up the costs and let me know what they would charge, currently the bikes on their forecourt. the only think thats really bloody annoying is they said because the bike is an import ...if they order me parts to fit and they dont fit....i still have to pay for them because they dont accept refunds!
whatever happened to distance selling regs or consumer law? i would have thought the most they could charge is for postage and restocking. its a bloody honda motorbike...in a honda garage rant rant.

ok well anyway, not sure what to do.. bet honda will quote silly money --- any guess?
i would like to do the work myself really, have done quite a bit before, its going to cost a fair bit to hire a van though and i asume its illegal and too risky driving it home?

thanks again all, shall try not to rant so much in future.

sorry if english is crap, im writing this from my phone on the way home (train)
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

dj, apart from the tyres you could do all those jobs yourself, just take your time.

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PostPosted: 17:38 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

dj, apart from the tyres you could do all those jobs yourself, just take your time.

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PostPosted: 20:01 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if they order me parts to fit and they dont fit....i still have to pay for them because they dont accept refunds!
whatever happened to distance selling regs or consumer law?


If you are ordering over the counter, then the distance selling regs don't apply. Even over the phone/internet, they won't give refunds either if they are special order and will not be returnable to their supplier.
Usually stated on the counter, or on your invoice.

You could check, but I'm pretty sure that consumer law will only cover you for faulty parts. Incorrect ordering will be down to retailers T/C.

You have to make sure that you order the correct part.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

See if you can get a parts fische. Order your honda parts using the part number. There is every chance the parts are used on umpteen bikes oficially imported into the UK anyway and the part number will be the same.

You are legally allowed to ride to and from an MOT or a pre-arranged repair. The vehicle still technically has to be roadworthy though.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 07 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BUMP - see top post, have updated it.

Handlebar replacement problem
Thanks again!
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 07 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my bandit when i replaced the bars the new one didnt have a hole in on the throttle side (original did). So i just shaved down the pin that goes into the hole and wrapped a bit of electrical tape around the widest area for extra grip.

Works wonderfully dosnt slip at all. Still a tiny bit of the plastic 'pin' left so would still fit into the hole of an original handlebar.
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 07 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said. Two options.

1) Drill a hole for the pin.

2) Remove the pin. Its sometimes plastic and you can either file, snip or melt it off. It's sometimes a brass rowlpin which you can pull out with a pair of pliers. As yuri2085 said, wrapping some PVC tape round the bar and clamping the switchgear over it works well.
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 08 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

awesome, things that seem to be a major problem quickly dissipate when someone explains them Smile

thanks again
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