110mph 'ish crash

[Scouse]

Probably been posted already but I haven't seen it or found it.

Story in 'the sun' newspaper.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2476542.ece

youtube vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zp8YJOAKwU

Would of been ok if it wasn't for the stupid car! Notice the sun didn't point that out.

[Visitor Q]

Aye, was the cagers fault easily.

Ah well, still a school boy error on the deceased part but never mind.

I often think in situations like that, 'I'm really glad I'm riding alone, so I don't have to worry about my mate being able to stop in time'. I bet on his own he'd of aborted the overtake.
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[cyberglass]

Id say its 50/50 blame. The car driver had enough room for the overtake and im sure i saw an indicator light but the vid was grainy.

The biker should of backed off when he saw the car moving out.

Whats with the title 170mph crash it was 110 MAX

But at the end of the day when your pissing around at them sort of speeds with traffic around it usually will end in tears you just dont have the time to react.
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[Scouse]

[lllN30lll]

NONE of the party should have been overtaking at all due to the road marking, so the car isn't solely at fault.

It would take a miracle for the car driver to notice the biker, from Mirror, signal, manouver, by the time the he'd put the indicators on the biker gained a huge amount of ground and sneaked up on him.
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Fucking cagers

[Rob]

Personally to me that looks like it was the bikers fault 100%?

The car was legally allowed to overtake at that point, it was clearly doing so to the biker, but because of his speed he had to overtake and hadn't seen the oncoming traffic so tried to cut it as close as possible to not go into the path of the oncoming traffic?

It's never nice to see/hear of a biker being killed and I wish it could never happen again; but as far as I am concerned that is exactly the sort of incident that gives bikers a bad reputation and why we get targeted as being 'hooligans' so often
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[jack_zxr400]

dont see why the cager felt the need to overtake then
and he would have been able to see the bikes in his mirror as well as hear them
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[Bikeless]

Bikers fault,he should of backed off or anticipated the cars actions,when overtaking a row of traffic you should always be aware that a car may do the same,unfortunately crashes like this are all too common,bikes can creep up on cars so fast that the car driver just does not see them.Experience learns you this but we all make mistakes i suppose,just a pity it ended up with his death,RIP.

[KevTM]

I'm under the same impression as N30 that they shouldn't be overtaking on a road with those markings (most of us do anyway).

If I was the car driver I wouldn't have overtaken, not with oncoming traffic. If I was on the bike then I would have overtaken and wouldn't have expected the car driver to pull out, he doesn't half pull out quick and swing right out either!.

Bit of a 50/50 to be honest and you could argue that it does boil down to the speed of the biker (too fast to do too much about).

So, what happened to the car driver anyway? Did he get away without a ticking off then? Most likely.

[Rob]

[KevTM]

Aye well they're not solid white lines but still, the hatches are there for a reason.. bit of a dangerous road, limited visibility, whatever, use proper judgement.. not overtake when traffic is coming when you're in a big lump of old mondeo.

[Bikeless]

Whatever the road markings are people will ignore them so if you ignore them on your bike why assume that car drivers aren't going to do the same.

[KevTM]

I don't really assume a car driver wont do anything, just not expect it as it's a bit obvious he'd be causing people to move out his way if he did (car in front seemed to notice what was happening and shifted over to the left as much as he could).. The car driver is/was a tit.. but still, the biker dude is/was just as much of a tit.

[alone]

Whenever I'm speeding I take full responsibility for what could happen ahead of me and realise I have to be able to react and avoid in time.
You cannot assume a driver is going to know where you are if you're doing well over the legal limit. The faster you're going the more you should be ready to act.. The ex-biker seems a bit delayed in reacting, and certainly wasn't giving the car he hit enough room.
Either way, it's a shame someone died, but it happens. and unless he had the intelligence of 3year old he knew the risk he was taking riding as he was.

New test - Brake and swerve anyone?

Edit:
Checked my Highway Code, and:
109. Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to seperate traffic lanes or to protect triffic turning right.
- If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.

Speeding is not a necessary reason to enter the area!
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[Bishbash]

Well the decision of two overtakes have now affected the lives of many. I feel sorry for the guy in the white van completely minding his own business and not breaking any laws.......He just mangled a human....Get that out of your head.

Keep this type of riding on the track.
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[colin1]

The car driver didnt check his wing mirror before the overtake, and due to the bikes position, may not have seen him in his rear view mirror.

Makes you realise that long overtakes are dangerous, as people will pull out in front of you, as they wont be expecting someone to be overtaking them. Maybe leap frog style overtakes are better, as it gives cagers a chance to see you in the rear view mirror.

I have to admit, I have done overtakes, without checking my bike mirror. I'm not proud of it.

I think the guy following volunteered his footage to show that the car driver was at fault, but then incriminated himself, with the speeds he was doing.
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[Bru]

Stupid rider. Tragic shame about the death, but it is just not fair to others on the road who are not expected to make allowances for such a rapidly accelerating bike. 100 mph indicated on the following rider's bike, and he was trying to catch up.. Even if the driver had checked his mirrors, I can only imagine that the speed of the approaching bike took him/her by surprise.

No comment made in the article about the overtaking driver. Guess he/she was let off due to the speed of the rider in the collision.

[Phoenix]

[Finglonga]

Sorry but if he wasn't riding like a nob he wouldn't have crashed. There is a time and a place for speed and the public roads when there is moderate traffic is not one of them.

Total lack of roadcraft and he payed the ultimate price. Feel sorry for the occupants of the camper van as that will stay with them for the rest of their lives.
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Video's been removed.

[edit] Still on Sun link though.
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[Rob]

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If you catch up to traffic with that much of a closing speed then you're asking for trouble, simple as that. The car indicated and pulled out. The driver might've checked his mirrors, or might not have, but if the bike had been going at a sensible speed the rider would've had plenty of time to get on the brakes and pull back in. You can't just treat traffic as rolling roadblocks that will never brake/accelerate/turn sharply.
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[KevTM]

^ well done!

Most areas with solid white lines don't really have the space to overtake keeping on the correct side of the road (might be different down your way).. generally if you do you'd be close to the car. Different story if you're going slow, stuck in traffic.. Anyway if you're passing cop cars brushing wing mirrors with them and getting away with it then fair play.

p.s. I think you quoted the wrong post