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Raffles
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 24 Jun 2009    Post subject: BNP 'to be outlawed' Reply with quote

The powers that be appear to be devising a plan to thwart the growing threat of the BNP being elected to power. In this increasingly 'Stalinist state' where we live, it seems that the most effective way to defeat them is not indeed going to be through the ballot box. The 'democratic' way to defeat them will be to ban them!
Love them or hate them, it matters not, they have a right to exist.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8114619.stm
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 24 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think its the powers that be, its the anti-racist lobby, who ironically advocate positive discimination, which is itself a form of racism.

I have to agree with the BNP bloke, that his opponents on this one, are parasites. They get paid to promote their political views, and impose them on others.
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 25 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't really see in that article any clear indication that banning is a clear possibility, however;

If it did happen, no matter how much I detest the BNP it would probably be enough to get me off my lazy arse and protest. The day our government suppresses political parties would be the day I would cease to be proud to be British.
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 25 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
it would probably be enough to get me off my lazy arse and protest.


Get ready for the police brutality then. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 25 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue is too big for me to comprehend in regards to multicutural society, its a HUGE topic.
IMO its not like our governments done a brilliant job, all i seem to here from this topic is how everyone feels separated and its getting worse.
Im not sure whats worse, a great sense of 'them and us' created by a rediculous nanny style ruling or straight hard up decisions made by the BNP. I don't think its right to start attacking them in this way TBH.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 25 Jun 2009    Post subject: Re: BNP 'to be outlawed' Reply with quote

raffles wrote:
The powers that be appear to be devising a plan to thwart the growing threat of the BNP being elected to power. In this increasingly 'Stalinist state' where we live, it seems that the most effective way to defeat them is not indeed going to be through the ballot box. The 'democratic' way to defeat them will be to ban them!
Love them or hate them, it matters not, they have a right to exist.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8114619.stm


Are you sure that's the right link? Because the article bears no relation to what you just said. There's no hint of a suggestion that the BNP would be banned, simply that it might be illegal to run a political party with a whites-only membership requirement. At worst the BNP would be forced to make a cosmetic change to their membership rules to work around the problem. It's not as if any black folks are going to want to sign up anyway.

Personally I don't think this is a very good move as it will only serve to further convince the BNP fucknuts that everyone's out to get them and it could well play into their hands quite nicely. I suppose the 'Equality and Human Rights Commission' don't bother to think things through that far.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 25 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

good, i hope the BNP supporters will also be locked up like Didge and Cestrian.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 25 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

UrbanRacer wrote:
good, i hope the BNP supporters will also be locked up like Didge and Cestrian.


Have Didge and Cestrian been locked up ? When did this happen? What were they locked up for?
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 25 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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good, i hope the BNP supporters will also be locked up like Didge and Cestrian.


Have Didge and Cestrian been locked up ? When did this happen? What were they locked up for?


apparently they were caught "cottaging" at some public bog
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PostPosted: 07:47 - 26 Jun 2009    Post subject: Re: BNP 'to be outlawed' Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
At worst the BNP would be forced to make a cosmetic change to their membership rules to work around the problem. It's not as if any black folks are going to want to sign up anyway.



Wouldn't it be funny if there was a co-ordinated sign-up by hundreds/thousands of 'non-whites'? Imagine the revulsion on the faces of the old guard BNP members if one of their 'Red, White and Blue' camps was awash with 'them coloureds'......

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PostPosted: 10:32 - 30 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont agree with the BNP, but banning them is on a slippery slope to police state 1984 esque mind control.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 30 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temeluchus wrote:
I dont agree with the BNP, but banning them is on a slippery slope to police state 1984 esque mind control.


But that's not happening. At all. Try reading the article linked in the first post.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 30 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't I read somewhere (probably spurious) that the BNP MP's were banned from the westminster bar etc?

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PostPosted: 12:44 - 30 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bonny_ricardo wrote:
Didn't I read somewhere (probably spurious) that the BNP MP's were banned from the westminster bar etc?


There aren't any BNP MP's, and thus they can't be banned from anywhere!
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 30 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:

But that's not happening. At all. Try reading the article linked in the first post.


It is happening, though indirectly. If you are a member of that party and are in the public sector you run the risk of losing your job.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 30 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Currently BNP members are banned from being in the police and the prison service, which is hardly the entire public sector. Yes there's been suggestions of expanding it, but they're just suggestions for now.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 30 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
Currently BNP members are banned from being in the police and the prison service, which is hardly the entire public sector. Yes there's been suggestions of expanding it, but they're just suggestions for now.


So effectively they are using force to prevent people from joining a valid political party.

Do you understand that the implication of that as a 'policy', under colour of law means that it is the state controlling your political activities through punishment? Rolling Eyes

Come on Dom, surely you can see fascism waving at you through the window? Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 30 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:

So effectively they are using force to prevent people from joining a valid political party.


As force means something along the lines of unlawful violence - they're using nothing of the sort.

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Do you understand that the implication of that as a 'policy', under colour of law means that it is the state controlling your political activities through punishment? Rolling Eyes


Leaving aside the fact that your grasp of the English language seems to be slipping away; you're still wrong.

Noone is being punished - however, people who choose to identify with a party with racist views are being told they will not be considered for a position in the police or the prison service. Just like people who like to eat too many pies, or people who can't spell their own name.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:

As force means something along the lines of unlawful violence - they're using nothing of the sort.


Spectacularly incorrect, as usual.

force  /fɔrs, foʊrs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fawrs, fohrs] Show IPA noun, verb, forced, forc⋅ing.

persuasive power; power to convince: They felt the force of his arguments.

power to influence, affect, or control; efficacious power: the force of circumstances; a force for law and order.


You can force someone with the threat of punishment or retribution etc. Surely you should know that, what with your police training Wink



Mister James wrote:

Noone is being punished - however, people who choose to identify with a party with racist views are being told they will not be considered for a position in the police or the prison service..


So they are being punished, and those considering are being coerced? I think you just agreed with me.

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If the BNP was/is enticing racial hatred as they claim then why not arrest the leaders under their race-hate laws etc?

My argument is that it sets the precedent that it is acceptable to force (yes, that is the correct use - tit Razz ) and influence workers in their voting choices. That is a dangerous step, would you not agree?
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
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Currently BNP members are banned from being in the police and the prison service, which is hardly the entire public sector. Yes there's been suggestions of expanding it, but they're just suggestions for now.


So effectively they are using force to prevent people from joining a valid political party.

Do you understand that the implication of that as a 'policy', under colour of law means that it is the state controlling your political activities through punishment? Rolling Eyes

Come on Dom, surely you can see fascism waving at you through the window? Laughing


They are forcing a relatively small number of people (police and prison workers) to make the choice between BNP membership and their jobs. In theory that is something I'm against, however the rights of the many sometimes have to come before the rights of the few. BNP members will be racist and as such are very unlikely to treat people equally, which is of particular concern with these two types of jobs. Essentially it's the lesser evil.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:

They are forcing a relatively small number of people (police and prison workers) to make the choice between BNP membership and their jobs. In theory that is something I'm against, however the rights of the many sometimes have to come before the rights of the few. BNP members will be racist and as such are very unlikely to treat people equally, which is of particular concern with these two types of jobs. Essentially it's the lesser evil.


So we need to remove the liberties of a few to maintain the liberties of the many? Shocked

If that's your logic then I'm afraid it never works.

I think you'll find a lot of new BNP supporters are made up from pissed off voters who have lost all faith in the 2 party system. I doubt all are racist, and anyway; what ever happened to correct procedure?

If a policeman / prisonworker (and teachers too) are found to be treating races differently then they should and would be sacked. Hence there is no need for this state intervention!

It's a slippery slope.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So we need to remove the liberties of a few to maintain the liberties of the many? Shocked If that's your logic then I'm afraid it never works.


In a nutshell. As I say, it's the lesser of two evils in this instance. Care to provide examples of why this never works? Since you're presenting that as fact, rather than opinion. It's worth noting that police and prison workers can always vote for whomever they like, too.

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I think you'll find a lot of new BNP supporters are made up from pissed off voters who have lost all faith in the 2 party system. I doubt all are racist, and anyway; what ever happened to correct procedure?

If a policeman / prisonworker (and teachers too) are found to be treating races differently then they should and would be sacked. Hence there is no need for this state intervention!


BNP supporters and BNP members are not the same thing. There are almost certainly some people who aren't racist yet voted for the BNP in the recent elections, however I would not say the same of their members.

As for correct procedure, it's seems completely wrong to me to employ someone knowing that they're racist on the grounds that you'd wait for them to treat someone badly before letting it become a consideration. That, to me, would be far from 'correct'.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
Kris wrote:

So we need to remove the liberties of a few to maintain the liberties of the many? Shocked If that's your logic then I'm afraid it never works.


In a nutshell. As I say, it's the lesser of two evils in this instance.

As for correct procedure, it's seems completely wrong to me to employ someone knowing that they're racist on the grounds that you'd wait for them to treat someone badly before letting it become a consideration. That, to me, would be far from 'correct'.


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PostPosted: 11:35 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You presume they're innocent of being racist cunts until they announce they're BNP members, at which point all doubt is removed.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
You presume they're innocent of being racist cunts until they announce they're BNP members, at which point all doubt is removed.


Rolling Eyes It's funny how people resort to profanity when they're wrong.

P.s. It's racialist not racist. Wink
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