Learners could lose right to ride alone!

[JAMSXR]

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/June/jun3009-learners-to-lose-right-to-ride-alone/

Not sure how much truth is in this story as you hear things like this on a regular basis? But it sounds like a load of rubbish!
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[stinkwheel]

It's an option that might (or might not) be included in a consultation, sometime next year for legislation that might (or might not) be put forwards for consideration.

In the unlikely event the story isn't a complete fabrication to fill column inches in MCN, make sure you respond to the consultation when it comes out.
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[Mushroom]

[swanny]

would totally kill off the 125 and scooter industry which accounts for probably half motorbike sales and therefore a massive chunk of the goverments vat income on bikes..

also if riders couldnt get onto bikes thats less petrol being used and less taxes..

less road taxes as well !!

according to sources there are 1 million bikes taxed in the uk. even if the figure of learner legal bikes is only 25% that would mean the goverment would be losing £4m a year.. just on 125's

they say bikes are unsafe.. just to clear things up though.. how many people have been attacked etc just walking home from work.. where this wouldnt have happened if they were on a scooter..

something needs to be done about the cbt.. possibly make it longer and more of a test but to do this would do a LOT of damage..
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[Mushroom]

why does the cbt need to change in any way?

[calyx]

Living and dying should be an option. You cant force people to live till 90! If I dont want to put the helmet on, then let me die for god sake! Rules rules rules...
One day there will be a rule to regulate our shitting position!
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[mr rip]

that's probably one of the stupidest ideas I've ever read about

how are learners supposed to get any proper experience

I don't think it'll do any thing to help motorcyclists safety, in fact it'll probably have the opposite effect with novice motorcyclists hitting the streets with a lot less road awareness

when you consider that the highest percentage of motorcycle deaths are caused by a third party, what the hell kind of chance are novices going to stand of avoiding danger if they have been denied the right to go out there & practice

IMO who ever thought this one up just hates bikes & was jealous that they had to have someone sitting by the side of them when they were learning to drive a car & now its payback time

this is just pure prejudice & you would think that in todays supposedly enlightened society & the environment of over zealous political correctness we live in that this kind of hatred would be illegal,

oh, hang about, IT IS!!!!

sorry for the rant, but this kind of blatant abuse of power really gets my goat
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[multijoy]

[tutton]

[mr rip]

ok I guess we must have read a different set of statistics, it kinda depends on who's setting the perameters for the statistics in question.

I was checking out insurance claims statistics & they all involved more than one vehicle & the figure I got was more than 70 percent in favour of the motorcyclist
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[stinkwheel]

[mr rip]

as far as the law is concerned an accident has only happened if there is damage to persons or property

I hadn't figured in folks slipping off on icy roads & other silly slips & spills that we all have every now & then as they aren't legally classed as accidents
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[Omega]

Just because it was their fault the accident happened doesn't mean you couldn't have avoided it.

IMO it's not a bad idea to bring the bike tests in line with the car tests in that you need an experienced rider or instructor with you until you pass. At the same time as doing this they should probably make it easier (cheaper) to get a moped license for the people that just treat them as powered push bikes to get to work on.

How would you feel if they changed the car licence's so that a learner can go out on their own in anything 1.2l or less?

[paulcdb]

i'm glad i passed years ago, all this jumping thru hoops these days.


Not a lot an instructor can do if your riding on a road and do something stupid so unless your going to be required to carry him as pillion i don't see the point in it. Just leave it as it is so people can go out and get experience.

We already have the CBT giving them 2 years to pass, or retake the CBT part.
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[amnesia]

How would people feel about people doing a cbt level of training and then been allowed to drive cars unaccompanied?

I fully expect the response to be 'thats not acceptable because you can do more damage to others in a car', while this is true it doesn't mean that a cbt is enough for two wheels.


Seems to be a lot of bleating about 'its hard enough already' ect. but from what I have seen the cbt is not enough to get 'safe' riders on the road unaccompanied.
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[That_Hornet]

[mr rip]

most of the training centres I've looked at offer 3 & 5 day courses from CBT to full licence, so a complete novice could be out on the road on a full powered bike with as little as three days practice & no real road experience

thats why I think it's a bad idea

let folks take a CBT & get out there on a low powered machine to learn how to control a bike that's a bit more forgiving,

oh & learners can drive a car un accompanied as long as the car only has one seat
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[Mushroom]

Bunch of pussies how did you ever get out of the pram?

[amnesia]

[map]

Hands up those who think the BMF will bend over for the government (any government) and say this is a damn fine idea.

Ok, now keep your hands up if you think the BMF actual represents day to day motorcyclist/bikers/people who ride powered 2 wheelers (see I can speak BMF).
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[supZ]

[paulcdb]

[Mystery]

well this isn't going to go down well if it gets passed but say you needed your bike for work since you couldn't get a bus or don't have a car, i dont have a car but i have my trusty cbt and i travel about 50 miles + on my 125 just for the experience in Edinburgh so i can be better once i get a bigger bike

[ricky_v]

I havent seen it outlines in the EUSSR's 3rd licence directive due to be enofrced in 2013 (amongst the DAS age to 24, A2 age to 18, compulsory medicals, etc, etc, etc) so IMO, i think its MCN telling porkies again