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Do you wear an illegal visor
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Mr Pants!
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Black visors Reply with quote

Running on the theme of the illegal riding post, this is another area I am interested to know.

If you do , have you been done for wearing one? If so, what fines/points were issued?
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have an OGK with the black tear offs which were legal. I now have a shoei xr1000 with a black visor. I put my safety over stupid laws.......do you know even blind pillions can't use black visors...........
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

always carry a clear one


I never do but I reckon it would go a long way of you did get pulled on a sunny day Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about a 'sometimes' option?

I do when it's sunny enough to warrant one, the rest of the time I use a semi-tint which is legal (during the day anyway Rolling Eyes ).
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Visor on lid, clear visor in visor bag around my waist. Cool

For a short time I did try using visor inserts but they didn't work too well and when you removed the tinted one for night time use, it lost all stickyness and left sticky patches on my visor.
It takes all of about a minute to change the visor over, no hassle at all really.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a Caberg helmet that has a built in sun visor, I just operate the slider on the side to use it when it' too sunny.

https://www.onyertriumph.net/images/caberg/jusanim.gif
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a tinted lense for my oakley goggles just like these:

https://www.multimania.com/fstan/oakley/goggles/02502.JPG

But in a Motocross Helmet, I guess you can't see them to well. Not even sure if they're legal or illegal actually. Would be intresting to find out.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Black Visor on lid, clear visor in visor bag around my waist


I was looking at them the other day, surly the visor can not be pulled flat! Mine is a very ridged curve with a fog city, I would probably have to wear it round my side.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stew wrote:
Black Visor on lid, clear visor in visor bag around my waist.


Same for me. It might be against the law but I will do all I can to aid my safety. Also never had any hassle over it.

I heard a good approach mentioned on another website.

When I biker was pulled over for wearing a black visor, by police in a car not a bike cop, he asked if he could respectfully demonstrate to the officer how dark the visor actually was. He removed the visor and handed it to the officer who then held it up and looked through it. The officer then said that they could see that it wasn't as black as he expected, handed it back and let him carry on, on his merry way.

Always worth a try if it ever happens.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an iridium visor that I bought from SummY but it's now completely fooked, the iridium coating has come off and looks tatty Crying or Very sad

Whilst working in my garage though I found a blue insert that I bought when I first started biking.

They are crap inserts, but what I done has improved it a lot. I took my spare clear visor and fitted the insert into it then seloatped it neatly in, so theres no gaps between the visor and insert, so it doesn't flap about or anything! It looks pretty good for what it is I guess, and the good thing is the iridium will always stay in good condition as it's behind the clear layer.

Think I'll leave it like that for now as it looks decent enough and works fine so should be ok even if its a bit tatty with the selotape and stuff, it works so that's all that matters Smile
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Pants! wrote:
...I would probably have to wear it round my side.


Thats the general idea with them.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian (GPZ400R) wrote:
I use a Caberg helmet that has a built in sun visor, I just operate the slider on the side to use it when it' too sunny.

https://www.onyertriumph.net/images/caberg/jusanim.gif


Me too, it rocks, and its completely legal.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

askew wrote:
I have a tinted lense for my oakley goggles just like these:]

But in a Motocross Helmet, I guess you can't see them to well. Not even sure if they're legal or illegal actually. Would be intresting to find out.


i'm 90% sure they are perfectly legal, rules are different for motorcross helmets, i think they can be pritty much as dark as you want Cool
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

zero wrote:


i'm 90% sure they are perfectly legal, rules are different for motorcross helmets, i think they can be pritty much as dark as you want Cool


Goggles are not included in the same legislation as helmet visors in respect of tints. Although they are still required to conform to BSI, they are allowed to have an 80% (black) tint as opposed to the 50% tint of visors which makes a complete mockery of the rules! Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you not love to meet the prick in government that decided on this ruling for visors? Bet he has never ridden a bike!
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Pants! wrote:
Would you not love to meet the prick in government that decided on this ruling for visors? Bet he has never ridden a bike!


I'd be astounded if anyone involved in bike legislation of any kind has ever ridden a bike Rolling Eyes

Thanks T.C. i remembered it being 80/90, i don't think many people would want much heigher than 80 Very Happy

So if you were wearing prescription glasses on a mortorcross would they have to conform to bs/e standards??? as far as i understand it is the same case with openface helmets because they become your primary visor is that right?
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Pants! wrote:
Would you not love to meet the prick in government that decided on this ruling for visors? Bet he has never ridden a bike!


Correct! When we (BSI Committee) put the recommendation forward that black visors should be made legal, David Jamieson took the view of the Pedestrians Association that they served nothing more than pose value and therefore refused the recommendation made by the committee, and this was despite the fact that I submitted a massive document containing numerous case studies from around the country where accidents had been caused or in some cases prevented by the wearing of a clear/black visor.

Research was also done in Australia over a two or three year period, and of the several thousand accidents involving bikes they investigated, not one was as a result of wearing a dark or tinted visor. The only recommendation they made was that open face helmets should be outlawed.

Jamieson was also concerned that up to .25% of riders would still wear their visors after it got dark even though there was a recommendation that new legislation be introduced to make it a specific offence to wear a tinted visor during lighting up times which would then become easy to Police and enforce, alas it fell on deaf ears.

So at the moment, we are reliant on someone taking this issue to the European Court of Human Rights on the basis that it is every individuals right to take whatever steps are reasonable to protect themselves, and in my opinion a black visor worn in bright conditions would fall nicely into this category.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many police officers will turn a blind eye to black and tinted visors in weather like this, Only when its dark or visability is low will they do something (no rider is stupid enough to do that though are they?)
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

TC - Good to see there's plenty of milage left in this one yet. It's starting to sound like, dare I say it, MCN! Arrrggghh. Wink

Has there been any more movement on the argument yet, other than we want them legalized and they don't?
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero, If you use an open face helmet, this has no eye protection, so glasses don't need to be BSi approved. On a full face lid though, with a visor, if you ride along with visor open then you are breaking the law, as your glasses aren't bsi approved...if that makes sense..
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

askew wrote:
But in a Motocross Helmet, I guess you can't see them to well. Not even sure if they're legal or illegal actually. Would be intresting to find out.


Almost certainly illegal. Similar rules apply to goggles, just a different BS stamp (BS 4110 XA possibly). One of the main checks was scratch resistance.

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PostPosted: 13:29 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zx6man wrote:
On a full face lid though, with a visor, if you ride along with visor open then you are breaking the law, as your glasses aren't bsi approved...if that makes sense..


Spectacles like sunglasses are not regulated even though it may be the primary eye protection, but even with the visor up the visor itself is still considered to be the primary eye protection so no offence!
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zx6man wrote:
On a full face lid though, with a visor, if you ride along with visor open then you are breaking the law, as your glasses aren't bsi approved...if that makes sense..


Think you are technically correct. Something like eye protection must carry the appropriate BS stamp, and with the visor up your glasses are technically eye protection.

Not heard of anyone ever being pulled for it but probably something that might be used it you get cheeky and there is nothing else for them to pick on.

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PostPosted: 13:59 - 08 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Almost certainly illegal.


zero wrote:
i'm 90% sure they are perfectly legal


Sweet. Thanks guys... puts my mind at rest hehe Razz. Can't see any stamps on them - but I just assumed that if they're made by oakley, and bought them from a yamaha dealer shop, they'd be legal.
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