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stirlinggaz
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 12 Jul 2009    Post subject: WIRING HELP Reply with quote

hi all,
im attempting to wire in some indicators on this wreck of an mtx.
(along with a few other jobs.)
im looking at the wiring diagram, but tbh, i've never been any good at understanding them.
as far a the vdiaframs go, theres 3 wires going to the flasher relay.
but only 2 of them actually connect!
(& i have checked a pic of the relay & its 2 pins).
where does the other wire go?
grey & blue to the relay, green goes nowhere.wtf?
also the actual indicator wiring.
im looking for 8 wires, right?
4 for front & 4 for back? (2 for each indicator)
well, i can only find 4, 2 at the front & 2 at the back.
anyone out there with a better understanding of electrics( that wont be hard, lol) that could give me some advice ?
cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 12 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

dose it earth out?
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 27 Jul 2009    Post subject: Re: WIRING HELP Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
hi all,
im attempting to wire in some indicators on this wreck of an mtx.
(along with a few other jobs.)
im looking at the wiring diagram, but tbh, i've never been any good at understanding them.
as far a the vdiaframs go, theres 3 wires going to the flasher relay.
but only 2 of them actually connect!
(& i have checked a pic of the relay & its 2 pins).
where does the other wire go?
grey & blue to the relay, green goes nowhere.wtf?
also the actual indicator wiring.
im looking for 8 wires, right?
4 for front & 4 for back? (2 for each indicator)
well, i can only find 4, 2 at the front & 2 at the back.
anyone out there with a better understanding of electrics( that wont be hard, lol) that could give me some advice ?
cheers,
GAZ


Regarding the relay wires, I'll check on mine at the weekend, but many of the green wires on a MTX are earth wires, so prehaps the other green wire goes to the frame somewhere?

Regarding the indicators, coming from the indicators there should be two wires - if they are original, one wire will be green and the other either light blue (r) or orange (l) depending on whether right or left.
Both the green wires from either side indicator on the rear should plug into a 'double female connector' on the main wiring loom. I think that it is a similar setup for the front indicators as well.

I hope this make sense, if not I may be able to upload a photo.
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daytona55
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 28 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a flasher unit you will probably need at least 3 wires: Perm live (feed), switch live and earth.
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Blue_SV650S
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 28 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

daytona55 wrote:
For a flasher unit you will probably need at least 3 wires: Perm live (feed), switch live and earth.


not true, you have the input +ve and the output +ve (output pulsed via/in relay), that then gets sent to retrospective set of indicators via the bar switch!! Thumbs Up
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daytona55
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 28 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
daytona55 wrote:
For a flasher unit you will probably need at least 3 wires: Perm live (feed), switch live and earth.


not true, you have the input +ve and the output +ve (output pulsed via/in relay), that then gets sent to retrospective set of indicators via the bar switch!! Thumbs Up


Yes - the output is switched by the relay effectively making it a switched live.
Wouldn't the input or permenant live feed be directed from the bar switch? It would make more sense not to continually operate the flash unit, but just on demand from the indicator switch.
... or maybe I'm talking tosh Smile
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Blue_SV650S
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 28 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

daytona55 wrote:

Yes - the output is switched by the relay effectively making it a switched live.
Wouldn't the input or permenant live feed be directed from the bar switch? It would make more sense not to continually operate the flash unit, but just on demand from the indicator switch.
... or maybe I'm talking tosh Smile


Imagine it like the rear brake light switch, one side is always live, and by operating the switch you are completing the circuit. It's the same with the indicators, if you like the indicator switch is completing the circuit - only difference is that then the workings of the relay mean power is only intermittently fed (i.e. it starts breaking and making the circuit itself at a given interval). Thumbs Up



p.s. you can get flasher relays with more than 2 wires, but 2 wire ones are quite common!!
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daytona55
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 28 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Blue - thats what i like about auto electrics - I can wire a house, a factory or a machine - but give me a car or a bike and I'm thick as pork Embarassed
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stirlinggaz
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 28 Jul 2009    Post subject: Re: WIRING HELP Reply with quote

"Regarding the relay wires, I'll check on mine at the weekend, but many of the green wires on a MTX are earth wires, so prehaps the other green wire goes to the frame somewhere?

Regarding the indicators, coming from the indicators there should be two wires - if they are original, one wire will be green and the other either light blue (r) or orange (l) depending on whether right or left.
Both the green wires from either side indicator on the rear should plug into a 'double female connector' on the main wiring loom. I think that it is a similar setup for the front indicators as well.

I hope this make sense, if not I may be able to upload a photo.[/quote]"

hi,
& thanks, that does make a bit of sense, but tbh the wirings in a bit of a state, especially at the back.
anyway. at present it has no indicators, though im pretty sure it did have at some point. (seeing as they were fitted as standard, lol)
& there are spare wires.
it didnt have a indicator relay but i have a couple spare.
so really need to know :
1 : how many pins/connectors does the relay have.
2 : which wires connect to the relay & where. (ie to what pins)
3 :what colour are the wires coming from the bike, to connect to the indicators. (that i havnt bought yet, i was planning on buying oem handlebar mounted ones for the front & any old bulb type for the rear)
a pic of the wiring at the relay & at the front & rear connections would help me immensely.
cheers,
GAZ
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