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Harold_Shand
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Mower help needed Reply with quote

Looking to start a little side line in garden maintenance. At work we use the best machines, I, however will not for out £800 on a machine.

I need something rotary, petrol, light, portable, reliable for about £300.

I would like a rear roller, but they weigh a ton, I have seen light, plastic ones on the new Spirit 41 Hayters, but the new Hayters are said to be cheap, chinese shit. I'm a bit at sea, it's different when it's actually my money.

I've been told that rear rollers are unneccesary for domestic gardening jobs... but then you would have to use shears for the edging... right?

Eeeh, there's so much choice, I really don't want to buy the wrong one, to make it worse, like bikes the market is now full of chinky crap that have bought once prestige names.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its been a good 15 years since I was in the game ... and unsure exactly what sort of work you will be doing .... but:

1) Commercial work (ie: cutting grass, hedges, clearing leaves etc etc) . ... no need to have a striped lawn .. so no need for a heavy roller or cylinder cut (which is what really creates the stripes).
A tried and tested rotary make like Mountfield should come in at £400 max ?
2) If you are really going to use the hand tools on a daily basis ... then go for the good stuff.
nothing worse than trying to do edging with a cheap tool, and having the grass half cut and half bend in the blades ... really really grating after,,uuumm,, 2 minutes Smile
3) Buy a good pair of secateurs ... nice pair of Felco no.2 's will do the trick.
https://www.douggreensgarden.com/images/felco.jpg

List of general tools off the top of my head:
Lawnmower
green bags with handles to carry leaves/grass etc.
half moon
edging blades
secateurs
pair of loppers
rake
broom
shovel
strimmer
hedge cutter
hand saw

That should do the trick .. i think.

I have been thinking about giving up the corporate schlong sucking game for years now, and going back to working outdoors and gardening.
Got me chainsaw and herbicide qualifications and everyfink ya know Smile
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

silky666 wrote:
Got me chainsaw and herbicide qualifications and everyfink ya know Smile


Round my ends tree surgeons earn a lot of moolah, definately a sleeping goldmine that one.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until quite recently I owned a Husqvarna self-propelled 21'' rotary mower. It always started 1st time and was ultra-reliable. Similar models can be bought new through ebay for around £350.
If you opt for one of these models make sure to get the Honda powered version. Avoid Briggs & Stratton engined units like the plague.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

what's wrong with briggs + strat engines? our little mower was cheap and has worked coinstantly for the past 5 years (blades needed replacing / sharpening once) old sidevalve engine methinks
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

raffles wrote:
make sure to get the Honda powered version.

Spot on ... The Mountfields I used were all Honda powered.
Very reliable and easy to start.

Unsure about the 'powered' models. ... personally I would rather save the money and risk of technical issues, and buy the simple push models.
All you need is:
Mountfield / Hayter Rotary.
Spare set of the plastic wheels (they get bashed and break over time)
Spare plugs
Spare blades
Assorted spare bolts and nuts (bound to rattle off over time).
grinding wheel to do your own sharpening.


Thinking aaaaaah good times Smile
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PostPosted: 02:34 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at scarafying, top dressing and re-seeding lawns. Great results for low tech.
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PostPosted: 06:47 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help chaps.

I'm leaning towards the new design Honda Izy, it's blade is wider than the wheels, so going over deep borders is no problem at all. Excellent, why aren't they all like that?

I'm excited... Getting some magnetic signs for the car... got the majority of hand tools and can 'borrow' hedge trimmers, pole saws, chemicals. Need a pick/tipper to seal the deal. Geddin, never had a go at anything like this before, but for such a little initial outlay, there's really no harm in trying.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Re: Mower help needed Reply with quote

Harold_Shand wrote:
I've been told that rear rollers are unneccesary for domestic gardening jobs... but then you would have to use shears for the edging... right?.


4 wheeled mowers leave a shitty finish due to the track marks. Get youself a used Hayter Harrier 56 with a split rear roller (maybe a 48 would be lighter) and a Stihl strimmer. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to need one of each Thumbs Up

Van needed Cool
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harold_Shand wrote:
I'm going to need one of each Thumbs Up

Van needed Cool

Now I have my transit for carrying around the motorbikes ... I have been seriously thinking about buying:
£500 of second hand kit ... lawnmower, strimmer etc.
Getting some adverts printed / flyers / business cards.
Some magnetic signs for the van.

Then taking a leaf out of my old bosses book ... and doing what I can when off work / using annual leave .... until it starts to impact on work ... when it impacts work to the extent that they sack you, then you will have enough work to start doing it full time.


hmmm ! time to warm up the old stihl Smile
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harold_Shand wrote:
I'm going to need one of each Thumbs Up

Van needed Cool


Even an old van gives a better impression than a car with a trailer (It's hard to be taken seriously without a van). It's surprising how much grass gets taken away at the end of the day, too much for a small trailer with a mower etc in it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My £300 side line has turned into £3000 with a sign written van and I haven't cut a blade of grass yet. Fuck... this might be happening next season now.

unless.... MUM! MUM! MU-UM!!!

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PostPosted: 20:01 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bored of the bowling greens or is it a money thing?

Be interested to hear of progress when you get going Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

We use alsorts at work.

Victa: brilliant 2stroke "sport" mower, does a neat job with a mulching deck, downsides very noisy and although neat with mulch deck customers won't return trade if they trapse cuttings everywhere after you've done. Being a 2 stroke you can run it at all angles trouble free too.

Hond izy: very very light, doesn't leave much in the way of track marks, ours has just gone pop though, even though it's very well looked after, regular plugs, oil, etc. The grass box could do with bein a little bigger and it clogs the chute pretty easily.

john Deere: maybe a bit clumsy on smaller patches of lawn, though it takes ages to drain a tank of fuel, and has a huge grass box, it is heavy and does leave tracks.

My choice would be the victa, if you can get hold of a decent one with a grass box, it may be noisier but I'm guessing a majority of your work won't be at 3am.

Cheers

Ben

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PostPosted: 21:49 - 23 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got my first customer today and I haven't got a lawn mower Very Happy

I have two hours work at £10ph cutting grass, edging and digging her borders back in.

Got the car all set, van is overkill tbh, got some business cards, nearly all hand tools, I can borrow a lot of stuff from work... this time next year Rodney...

Probably going to buy an AL-KO

https://www.alkogarden.co.uk/product/alko-410br-classic-bs.aspx

German made, B & S engine, hard, reliable and good value for money, so the salesman said. Gardeners World gave the bigger blade version 'Best Buy' award.

Found out the edging shears we show so little respect to at work retail at £82.50 Sick

Well, we'll see how it goes, I'm hoping this will be a nice little earner with the potential to go full-time in 3 years, after I've done my PA1 PA6, NVQ3 and CS30/31. Do that for 5 years relentless and then get the fuck out of this hell-hole and get a cushy council job in Sydney. I like day-dreaming.
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