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sunama
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Module 1 before theory test? Reply with quote

Hi.

2 questions:

Q1. Can I take my Module 1 Test before I take my theory?

Q2. Is it necessary to go through a proper structured DAS course, or can I simply book Modules 1 and 2 tests, having had no DAS course or lessons?

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snomag
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Q1: Not likely. I think the lifetime of your Mod1 pass certificate is linked to the expiry date of your theory test, so I'd be surprised.

Q2: You can book the tests, but somehow you've to get to the test centre, which you can't do on your own, even if you have a big bike. (in the case of a DAS)
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Aiks
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK

The story goes:

1, Motorbike Theory Test
2, Module 1
3, Module 2

Not compulsory to go through Riding School, but much recommended...
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sunama
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

snomag wrote:

Q2: You can book the tests, but somehow you've to get to the test centre, which you can't do on your own, even if you have a big bike. (in the case of a DAS)


I would get to the test centre on my 125cc bike, for which I have a valid CBT certificate. Once at the test centre, I would need to hire a bike...or is this not how its done?

Perhaps someone can enlighten me on what happens when the Module2 test happens.

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snomag
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

sunama wrote:

I would get to the test centre on my 125cc bike, for which I have a valid CBT certificate. Once at the test centre, I would need to hire a bike...or is this not how its done?

Perhaps someone can enlighten me on what happens when the Module2 test happens.

Thanks


I don't think if you can hire bikes at the test centre.

In my case, I went through a riding school, and on the day of the test, I just used one of their bikes. To be honest I think it's pretty useful to ride for at least an hour before the test on the bike you'll be using, just to get used to it and to get into the flow.

How do you plan to get used to handling a bigger bike without going through a riding school btw? Just out of curiousity.

Module 2 is basically just normal road riding with a hill start and an angled start. (I think that's what it's called)
You go out, the examiner is following you and tells you where to go. It takes around 40-45mins, and they also ask some show me tell me questions. (google it)
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

sunama wrote:
I would get to the test centre on my 125cc bike, for which I have a valid CBT certificate. Once at the test centre, I would need to hire a bike...or is this not how its done?

You can use your own bike. The DSA test centres do not hire out bikes, they simply do the tests.
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sunama
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, to clarify, on the day of the test, most riders ride to the test centre using the schools' bike. However, how does the rider get to the test centre, using a 500cc bike, without the relevant license? Is he followed by the teacher, with an L-plate on his bike, in radio contact?

What usually happens?

If I dont do the DAS, I would take 1 or 2 lessons at my local training centre (for about £60 per session), just to get used to the bigger bike and to have the instructor pointing out any bad habits. This would work out a lot cheaper than a full structured DAS.

For the record, I've covered about 1000 miles on my Honda CBR125 and feel pretty confident on handling a larger bike. Just thinking about it, there are no nerves. I remember when I was thinking about doing the CBT, I was VERY nervous, having to concentrate hard, when turning at junctions (mirror signal manouvre, etc). Now, all that has become second nature and I'm comfortable filtering through dense traffic.
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Aiks
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For the record, I've covered about 1000 miles on my Honda CBR125 and feel pretty confident on handling a larger bike.


I've done about the same on my YBR but I wouldn't say I feel confident handling bigger bike, especially NOT on Module 1.

I had a go on ER5 before I did mine Module 1, and it was a struggle... I'm only a little person Wink
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sunama
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aiks wrote:


I've done about the same on my YBR but I wouldn't say I feel confident handling bigger bike, especially NOT on Module 1.

I had a go on ER5 before I did mine Module 1, and it was a struggle... I'm only a little person Wink


And did you pass your module1?
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I did on second attempt - on 125 though...

First Time didn't reach the stupid speed limit... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because you can filter through traffic does not mean your ready for the test, sorry to burst the bubble,
Nearly everyone who rides before the test picks up bad habits which make you fail tests, hence why especially for DAS its reccommended to get training, as its enough of a hassle having to remember all observations and everything, without worrying about weight of the bike and the likes.
I rode for a year and a half and i had some real bad habits, finally the test is out of the way and im releaved slightly, but it feels no different to being on L plates except i can ride something a bit heavier Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might be a good idea going down to your local riding school and do an hour long assessment.

That way you can find out how much more training you need and act accordingly.

I covered 3k+ on my NSR before I passed my test, but still, the first time I got on the big bike, my control over it was far from the expected. Others might be different, but I needed a bit of a time to get used to the weight of the bike and to become confident on it.
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sunama
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aiks wrote:
Yes I did on second attempt - on 125 though...

First Time didn't reach the stupid speed limit... Rolling Eyes


So is yours an A2 license or full license?
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PostPosted: 01:47 - 25 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you need a theory before you can take the practical test, even if it has been split into two parts.

I didn't find it particularly difficult adjusting to the extra weight of my first big bike (ZX6R) after passing my test, I just insured it, called the insurance company to confirm my insurance and then went for a ride and it felt fine after a couple streets Smile
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Paulington
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PostPosted: 01:52 - 25 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

sunama wrote:
Aiks wrote:
Yes I did on second attempt - on 125 though...

First Time didn't reach the stupid speed limit... Rolling Eyes


So is yours an A2 license or full license?

If you pass it on a 125 it will be an A2 licence.

Can just book your tests, take them and pass but wouldn't recommend it.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 05 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

go for the A2

i did it this way i just found it a lot cheeper and easier and i went to do both tests on my own
i had two lessons one for each mod
the only thing is im restricted for two years but that doesnt bother me mutch because it would have taken me that long to save up to do DAS

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PostPosted: 18:14 - 05 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

sunama wrote:
So, to clarify, on the day of the test, most riders ride to the test centre using the schools' bike. However, how does the rider get to the test centre, using a 500cc bike, without the relevant license? Is he followed by the teacher, with an L-plate on his bike, in radio contact?

What usually happens?


I did my CBT on a 500cc with L plates and in radio contact with instructor.

then I did my theory.

Then for mod1 the training school I used took a van with 2 bikes in (500cc bikes) to the test centre, we followed in the instructors car, got the bikes out when we arrived, did the mod 1 test, loaded bikes back in the van and went home, training schools that were nearer the test centre rode their bikes there like you said, 500cc bikes with L plates and in radio contact with the instructor.

As for mod 2,
I drove to the training school on the morning of the test, picked the bike up (500cc with L plates on) rode it to the test centre followed by instructor in radio contact, had a lesson going around the test routes, had a quick cuppa while a fellow learner was out on his test, then when he came back it was my turn Thumbs Up
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sunama
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

crackfinder wrote:

Then for mod1 the training school I used took a van with 2 bikes in (500cc bikes) to the test centre, we followed in the instructors car, got the bikes out when we arrived, did the mod 1 test, loaded bikes back in the van and went home, training schools that were nearer the test centre rode their bikes there like you said, 500cc bikes with L plates and in radio contact with the instructor.

As for mod 2,
I drove to the training school on the morning of the test, picked the bike up (500cc with L plates on) rode it to the test centre followed by instructor in radio contact, had a lesson going around the test routes, had a quick cuppa while a fellow learner was out on his test, then when he came back it was my turn Thumbs Up


I think that answers it.

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PostPosted: 08:39 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAS doesn't necessarily have to be a DAS 'course'.

You should be able to take DAS lessons with a school on a 500 to suit you, whether it's once a week for a few weeks with riding your 125 inbetween (it's what I did).

However if you book like just 2 afternoons and then expect them to hire you their 500 (which they have to take to the test centre/accompany you while you ride it) don't be surprised if they say no.

They are not trying to rip you off, they just don't want people going into test ill-prepared and failing/trashing their bike.

Oh, and DO NOT filter on a test. The examiners don't want to see it, it's very easy to make errors which could cost you a pass and (more importantly!) waiting in traffic eats up test time nicely. Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I did my CBT on a 500cc with L plates and in radio contact with instructor.



How come you did your CBT on a 500cc? Just wondering as I thought most places offer a twist and go or a 125cc geared Smile
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sunama
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClaireBear88 wrote:

How come you did your CBT on a 500cc? Just wondering as I thought most places offer a twist and go or a 125cc geared Smile


Thats what I thought.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClaireBear88 wrote:
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I did my CBT on a 500cc with L plates and in radio contact with instructor.



How come you did your CBT on a 500cc? Just wondering as I thought most places offer a twist and go or a 125cc geared Smile


As soon as we started the classroom bit of the CBT the instructor asked which of us were intending to do Direct Access Scheme, when we all said yeah, he said "great we can use the big bikes !"
so we all did our CBT on 500cc bikes, even the road bit was done on 500's, Thumbs Up Mr. Green it was great Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah nice one! My other half and me are going to be doing our cbt and then das so maybe we will be as lucky as you were as the instructor has a 2:1 ratio- no harm in asking lol Smile
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClaireBear88 wrote:
Ah nice one! My other half and me are going to be doing our cbt and then das so maybe we will be as lucky as you were as the instructor has a 2:1 ratio- no harm in asking lol Smile


Yeah, mention it to your instructor..... I'm sure it's fairly standard practice.
I hadn't ridden a bike for about 18 years, so I had 20 minutes on a 125 around the cones, just to get the feel for riding again......then straight on the 500...... all in all it was a fantastic day, really enjoyed it,
I hope you and your other half get to do it on the 500's it's great fun, when are you doing it?
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully end of august/september time- just saving up our pennies at the mo lol I'd prefer to get as much practice on a 500cc as possible because I have been riding bikes for years at home (live on a farm Smile ) so its the road experience I need Smile
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