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PostPosted: 12:47 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:13 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:26 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Female temp staff got pregnant without our permission Reply with quote

On one hand, 'women' want equal pay and job prospects as men. However, (possibly different) 'women' also will happily take considerable liberties that a man is not able to - often never returning to work.
I've heard of cases where this has been the last straw that has bankrupted a small company due to the extra costs involved.

I'm definitely of the opinion that child birth should be taken more seriously and *planned* more than a hell of a lot of parents do.

Personally, I'll do my job and get my money at the end of the month. I've never found it a big problem to detach annoyance with work from the rest of life; providing I do get that money in my bank account at the end of the month, even if things aren't going as I'd like at work, the rest of my life shouldn't be affected.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just one point... Marriage does not equal kids.

Everyone at my wifes work started goign on about how she'll be having kids next etc, and simply we dont want them.

I wouldnt mind the maternity leave tho.

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PostPosted: 14:10 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:29 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Understandable really. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Female temp staff got pregnant without our permission Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
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I agree with everything said there.

I had a similar conversation yesterday with one of my mates, he said he needed a career, I asked if he wanted one, the answer was no. All he wants is a job that pays him enough to keep him ticking over comfortably and to not turn into the type of guy who is taking his work home etc, which is my exact take on it.

I know people where their life revolves around their work and I feel sorry for them but if that's how they want to live their lie then fair enough. I'd just prefer to be sat in a bar surrounded by a couple of decent friends and some hot girls instead of being sat at home surrounded by paper and wondering just how I can stick my head further up someones arse in the hope of obtaining an extra word to precede my current job title.

If you get to work on monday morning and you'e glad to be back then you're doing life wrong.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Female temp staff got pregnant without our permission Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:11 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

She is a temp for a reason . . . you can sack her with no obligation and owe her nothing.

Its just unfortunate for you that the job she is covering takes almost 1/2 a year to train someone in. . . . . Shocked

I don't know of any jobs that takes that long to traain someone in!Perhaps from a management point of view this should have been thought about a long time ago.

Managing people well is not easy, I'm sure. Sounds like she is taking the pee a bit with all the 'I feel sick', perhaps she does, but again your not obliged ot keep her.

I just think, bad luck on this one.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

if your covering maternity leave its a big of an unwritten rule not to get maternity whilst in it lol
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:16 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Female temp staff got pregnant without our permission Reply with quote

Shaun wrote:
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Work hard, earn lots, retire early and have years to yourself with plenty of money. Or do as you do, work basic wage jobs day to day to keep you going for your entire life, probably struggle for money most of the time but happy to spend your life sat in the pub growing a beer belly. Different folk, different ideas, different interests, you shouldn't be pitying anyone.
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PostPosted: 03:45 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be sexist but I agree. You cannot have equality when people are different.

I think it should be best person for the best job. If you want to hire a man because he won't fuck off after lots of expensive training there should be nothing stopping you.

nb. not saying all women piss of to have sproggs or that men stay in jobs longer.

Edit didn't really address the point Laughing

Congratulate her, you can't help feel like she wasted your time but you have not signed any contract and she is free to do has she pleased.
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I suppose you could take it in the light that if it wasn't for women having babies, then there would be no up and coming workforce to join the ranks eventually, and let you retire at a reasonable age and start enjoying your life, rather than being stuck in a work - work cycle. Idea
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
Well I suppose you could take it in the light that if it wasn't for women having babies, then there would be no up and coming workforce to join the ranks eventually, and let you retire at a reasonable age and start enjoying your life, rather than being stuck in a work - work cycle. Idea


Always good to look at things from another perspective Thumbs Up


Anyways, there was a documentary on not so long ago about how the average ladies salary is still significantly lower (30% I seem to recall), therefore, it seems these perks are duly owed and not always taken.

So, the six months paid leave may sound all roses, but in fact its;

1) Hard work having a baby (kid), esp the first 4 months of sleepless nights.
2) Significantly likely to reduce your future earnings for an abundance of reasons.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Female temp staff got pregnant without our permission Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
Hetzer wrote:


Work to live, not live to work.

Personal life comes first, not company life.

I understand what you said, and I feel we Japanese are tend to live to work.
But if she takes priority to her personal life only(or too much), it means she makes nuisance to her colleagues. Doesn't she feel any guilty? At least she should have waited till the original member comes back at this year end?
This is what I thinks.


I wouldnt feel any giult, a job over a baby? dont think so. Confused
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkeypie wrote:
Anyways, there was a documentary on not so long ago about how the average ladies salary is still significantly lower (30% I seem to recall), therefore, it seems these perks are duly owed and not always taken.


Difference appears to be far smaller than that:-

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7081822.stm

That doesn't appear to take much notice of different situations though. For example:-

https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/feb/26/money.politics

they seem to be saying that the pay gap is because companies are unwilling to offer high paying jobs to part timers (which would more likely be women). Hardly surprising really.

It is also a bit of a chicken and egg situation. If women are viewed as taking advantage of their employer through maternity benefits it is inevitable that the companies will compensate in other areas. Exactly the same as viewing these perks as something duly owed.

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PostPosted: 13:59 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Hetzer hit the nail on the head and I've to agree with him. It's also not an easy situation to get out due to the reasons He described.

It's very easy to say "don't worry about it" but when something is programmed into you so deep, it becomes really difficult.

Spending a bit of a time with meditation, trying to think through the problems that're affecting you from different viewpoints might be useful sometimes. Once you realize and understand a few things (that many of your worries are not necessarily yours) it's easier to change - if you want to. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:52 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that's one way to slow population growth.

Stop maternity leave Thinking

I'm a genius Thumbs Up

In all seriousness, it seems grossly unfair to me as a man that women are getting shoehorned in to higher jobs as part of a quota system, yet can then bugger off for a year at company expense... then come back at reduced hours.

Whereas blokes, to get to the same level, have to basically become a corporate bitch for the rest of their lives.

As G said, it can seriously tank small businesses.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought my work life balance was a bit out of whack with having to travel abroad a lot.

Now I'm glad I'm not Japanese.

If I could I wouldn't work at all. (edit) I don't mean in the scrounging benefits sense, I mean in the financially independent yacht in the med ten cars in the garage sense {edit}.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bonny_ricardo wrote:
Well, that's one way to slow population growth.

Stop maternity leave Thinking

I'm a genius Thumbs Up

In all seriousness, it seems grossly unfair to me as a man that women are getting shoehorned in to higher jobs as part of a quota system, yet can then bugger off for a year at company expense... then come back at reduced hours.

Whereas blokes, to get to the same level, have to basically become a corporate bitch for the rest of their lives.

As G said, it can seriously tank small businesses.


Trouble is we need more young people to fund any chance we have of a decent retirment pension... Or there will be the generation ( 20 ish now) who work ALL their lives till death Twisted Evil

Thankfully i work for a group with equal rights for both sexes, so i could take 12 months off maternity leave ( never afford it though - 2 wages....) and come back on reduced time....
Not that i would want another kid at 50.... Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 03 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Trouble is we need more young people to fund any chance we have of a decent retirment pension... Or there will be the generation ( 20 ish now) who work ALL their lives till death Twisted Evil


But keep avoiding the issue and all we are doing is digging the hole deeper until some of our descendents get it even worse.

You can't breed your way out of a pensions crisis.

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