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KZG0L1
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: CBT and Experience Reply with quote

Hi all,

I attended a CBT course last weekend. First time ever on a bike and first attempt at riding a geared bike.

After a few dodgy moments I started to make progress (still making a pigs ear of gears, brakes, steering and balance as I went but at least not falling off or dropping the bike).

Got to about 2.30pm and the instructor asked how tired I was. I told him I was knackered and he said that while the choice was mine and he was happy to carry on I could decide to rest up and come back down for a couple of hours through the week to practice my slow riding and complete the road part of the CBT. Fair enough really as I was definitely flagging after nearly four hours on the bike. I'm clearly not a "natural" but that's okay.

My questions are this.

As someone with only a few hours experience, in order to get out on the roads and complete the CBT would you advise that I asked for a moped? Just to complete the CBT with less stress and to build up road time on two wheels.

I just feel that this may be less stress, get me out on the roads quicker and with more confidence than trying to acquire a completely new and foreign skillset (bike clutch control, gear changes, two wheeled speed etc). My intention would then be to complete the CBT and build up road and park time practising on a 125 geared bike to put myself into the position where I am an experienced and confident rider before attempting a direct access course.

Alternatively, should I just "man up" and work with the geared bike while doing the CBT? Will I gain more in the long term from just biting the bullet and pushing through the awkward and twitchy stage.

What's your advice for a total beginner? Better to get the CBT done on a moped quicker and then put the hours in on a geared 125 or should I just push on with the SR500 at the test centre and wait for it all to click into place?

cheers
Chris
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snomag
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Chris,

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As someone with only a few hours experience, in order to get out on the roads and complete the CBT would you advise that I asked for a moped? Just to complete the CBT with less stress and to build up road time on two wheels.


I was asking myself the exact same question after being asked to come back another day and re-do my CBT. I'm not sure about you, but for me the whole 'controlling a machine' was completely new as I never rode/drove a bike/car before in my life. (also, people over here are on the wrong side of the road Very Happy )

If you plan to move on to a geared bike, it might make more sense to practice on a geared bike, with an instructor watching over you.
It can be difficult in the beginning, but trust me, the second time around it gets hell of a lot easier. And what if even at the end of the second day you need more practice? Big deal, you've your whole life ahead of you to get better and enjoy riding, sich a minor delay won't make a difference.

whether to get a 125 and use that for a while or head for a full license directly - it depends on you. But at the moment I don't think if you would feel confident enough on a 'big' bike, so it might be a good idea to get a small bike and use it for a while. That way you can get used to all the controls and the whole feel of riding, so when you get on a bigger bike you can focus only on the differences - instead of trying to take in everything at the same time.
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Moo.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the same cbt apply to both scooters and gear bikes?

So you can take the test on a moped/scooter, gain some confidence, but still be able to ride a geared bike too?
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snomag
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
Does the same cbt apply to both scooters and gear bikes?

So you can take the test on a moped/scooter, gain some confidence, but still be able to ride a geared bike too?


As far as I know, yes.
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Paulington
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
Does the same cbt apply to both scooters and gear bikes?

So you can take the test on a moped/scooter, gain some confidence, but still be able to ride a geared bike too?

It does indeed however would you not rather spend a few more hours on the bike learning how to use a geared bike from an instructor who knows how it's done + how to teach you well.
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neil.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick with gears, especially as you'll have an instructor with you who can help. Once you get the knack for it, it's really easy and slowly ends up becoming second nature - i.e. you don't think about it anymore when you ride. Just give it plenty of time and practice and don't be hard on yourself whilst you're still new to it. Thumbs Up
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metalangel
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: CBT and Experience Reply with quote

KZG0L1 wrote:
As someone with only a few hours experience, in order to get out on the roads and complete the CBT would you advise that I asked for a moped? Just to complete the CBT with less stress and to build up road time on two wheels.


No, stick with the bike you've started on. It *is* overwhelming at first and I was similarly disheveled after my CBT. Assuming you have a car licence, were you any different after your first time at the wheel of a car? Driving/riding is a lot to take in, don't expect to just be amazing at it at first.

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Alternatively, should I just "man up" and work with the geared bike while doing the CBT? Will I gain more in the long term from just biting the bullet and pushing through the awkward and twitchy stage.


Yes, that one. When I learned to drive, I learned manual transmission as it's better to do that than learn everything in auto and then have to try and learn gears later. Again, you're a new rider, you're expected to be awkward and twitchy. Your first few lessons will almost certainly have 15 or so minutes at the beginning riding around the parking lot reacquainting yourself with the bike before you go out on the road. This will get shorter and shorter until you can just jump on and go.

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What's your advice for a total beginner? Better to get the CBT done on a moped quicker and then put the hours in on a geared 125 or should I just push on with the SR500 at the test centre and wait for it all to click into place?


What's the hurry?

The way I did it was to do the CBT on a geared 125, and then did two lessons on the same 125, at which point my instructors (who had said DAS would be best for me anyway) said it was time I moved up to the 500 for the rest of my lessons. The 500 was far, far nicer to ride - the size and weight weren't a hindrance so much as a help - the bike felt more stable and less twitchy, you didn't have to work the gears as much, and it was on the 500 that everything truly fell (if you'll pardon that choice of words) into place.

Like I've said, you sound like you've had a pretty similar learning experience to mine so far so imho you're best off carrying on with the geared bikes and taking it from there.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I did my CBT it was my first time on a bike too.

I was terrified of it!
Dead funny looking back... When instructors lined us up, to pull off first time, and they asked everyone ''Have you ridden before''. Everyone nodded but me... so of course I was the last one to pull off... Nearly ran over poor man standing in front of me, because I wasn't sure how to stop the thing!

It was geared bike I did it on.. and now I'm glad I choose gears... I wouldn't like to learn how to ride it on my own... Its better when you have somone looking over you, even if it takes you few goes, better than one bad go on the road on your own... Confused

Whatever you decide, good luck!
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you'll also find is when you went to sleep the night after the course, your brain was busy teaching itself how to do the tasks you were attempting.

Next time it will seem a lot easier.
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leannef55
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 04 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick with the gears- it will get easier and become more natural the more you do it. I didn't do the road ride on my first attempt at CBT because I was a bit overwhelmed by it all. I re-took it at a different school with a massive off road training area and went on the road that time but wasn't confident enough to lead (the instructor was shouting too much down the earpiece, and I was with a 17 year old scooter boy!), so I still didn't pass. I went back a couple of weeks later with a different instructor, just me and him. Had half an hour on the area then out on the roads for about 2 hours, and it was brilliant. His instructions were so relaxed and he gave me so much good advice and help. Ive now got a CBR125 and get out when I can when the roads are quiet just to practice more and more.

It *will* come!!!!
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KZG0L1
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 05 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the advice. You made a lot of sense.

I'm going to stick with the geared bike I started on and work through the nerves and the "shock" of how new everything is.

I have another two hour session this evening and I'm just going to try and relax and enjoy myself. I'll let you know how it went tomorrow morning! Smile

thanks again
Chris
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KZG0L1
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tremendous! Very Happy

Another hour in the yard practising slow riding techniques then half an hour on gears and we were out on the road.

Two hours later, back to the office and the instructor was signing me out of CBT. Fantastic. I'm really chuffed.

I definitely caught the bug last night and enjoyed myself so much more than the first session. I'm pleased I stuck with the geared bike, you were all right about just relaxing and taking advantage of the instructor being there to learn properly. By the end of the evening gear changes were the best part of my riding.

I need to watch my positioning in the road and the speed limits but I can't wait to get back out and start putting some hours in the seat.

I'm off to go book my theory test and check out some 125 reviews. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 07:35 - 06 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

WayHey!! good on ya mate Thumbs Up Very Happy
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kumashi
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: cbt Reply with quote

helloo guys...

can you please let me know what is the best place to get my CBT from in London. I have just moved to london and dont know anyone.... thank you all.....
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