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GSXReater
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Sanding down fairings advice Reply with quote

I bought some fairings with scratches which i want to repaint.

What sandpaper should i used to take off all the paint?

I want to take it down to bare plastic (oem plastics) so what should I use?

Thanks.
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feckless
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on what size of area you are talkin about.
if small area just use wet n dry sandpaper and dip it in a cup of water with a tiny bit of washing up liquid in.
if a large area i would reccomend a drill type orbital attachment tool
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im talking 2 whole side panels.

If i use something like orbital sander then what coarseness shoukd the paper be?
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

start with 800 grit then use 1200 between coats of paint
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
whenever i have sanded down fairings, i've done it all by hand.
using 200 or 400 wet & dry, with a sanding block.
but i wouldnt bother attempting to remove all the old paint, just smooth it down, with 400 being as rough as i would go.
then primer.
might get away with 800, buy a pack of assorted & see what works best.
depends on how deep the scratches/gouges are.
cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to remove all the paint as it has 2 colours. 1 of the fairing had got some deep scratces.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
still no need to remove ALL the old paint.
just a good rub down & use some hi-build plastic primer which covers up quite a lot, &/or filler for REALLY deep gouges.
cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feckless, STFU. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
Feckless, STFU. Rolling Eyes

rude,expected, & not entirely helpfull.
so why bother?
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
ZRX61 wrote:
Feckless, STFU. Rolling Eyes

rude,expected, & not entirely helpfull.
so why bother?

Because if the guy makes use of feckless's clueless ideas he'l fuck up the parts. That's why.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

& how the fuck is sanding down a fairing & giving it a coat of primer gonna fuck said fairing?
at worst he makes a bad job of it.
he can start again.
we are not all experts with access to proffessional eqipment.
some people have to make do with a pack of assorted wet & dry & some aerosols.
& instead of being rude & resorting to namecalling me, who only offered my advice, why not give the guy the benefit of your superior experience?
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
& how the fuck is sanding down a fairing & giving it a coat of primer gonna fuck said fairing?
at worst he makes a bad job of it.
he can start again.

Better to start with some good info (yours) instead of bad info (fuckwits)...

stirlinggaz wrote:
& instead of being rude & resorting to namecalling me, who only offered my advice, why not give the guy the benefit of your superior experience?

*Search*.... Then sort out the good advice from 3 or 4 people from the utter garbage from the other 25 or so clueless muppets.
& I didn't resort to name calling, but I can start if you'd like. I just told him to STFU.


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PostPosted: 16:31 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSXReater wrote:
Im talking 2 whole side panels.

If i use something like orbital sander then what coarseness shoukd the paper be?


Do NOT use an orbital, use a DA Wink
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

my apologies.
as your post came straight after mine, i presumed you were calling me feckless & telling me to stfu.
i'd forgotten there was actually someone called "feckless" lol
taken out of context, again my apologies.
i shouldnt be so touchy...
probably something to do with this engine rebuild not going the way i want it.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrow 400grit wet and dry + bowl of lightly soapy water..
Arrow sand down the fairing so its kind of smooth..
Arrow then use 600grit and repeat..
Arrow maybe then 800 if you want..
Arrow spray plastic primer..
Arrow spray light coats of paint with a quick rub with 2000grit in between to take away lumps..
Arrow spray a few coats of laquer on to protect paint..

if you want a semi-pro job... after you done all that.. lightly over the finished panel with 2000grit wet&dry, then use the 2 polishing compounds mixed lightly with water to remove every last speck of excess paint, then buff..

this will leave you with a finish that its as smoothe as glass Thumbs Up

if its your 1st time, dont bother with the polishing bit.

hope this helps. Carl Thumbs Up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally disagree with all the posts so far on method,
if i was taking it back id use 120 or 180 on a da sander,
fill the gouges with filler, block sand with 80 to shape, smooth off filler till 240 grit, primer, rub down primer with 320 using a guidecoat, till smooth quick blast with wet and dry 800, and into the booth for shooting with some colour
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much agreed with the post just above this one.

Everything needs to be done in stages going from low grit using 80 to fix areas around damage & shape fiberglass repairs, then using gradually finer grits to smooth out the damage untill you get to about 400 grit. Once you have to the damage to the 400 grit stage rub down the whole panel with it so the primer can key in.

Use 800 grit on the primer to get it ready for the colour, then 1200 on the colour to get it ready for laquer, then 1200 & 2000 on the laquer.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
Feckless, STFU. Rolling Eyes


was only trying to help out. i have used these methods in the past

so fuck off you opinionated wanker Middle Finger Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ good on ya!, i dont see why people offend or try to piss others off on BCF. shows that they are just pricks.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
this happens every time someone asks about painting fairings, lol
you get various reples, usually split into 2 camps :
1 : the diy/amatuer : diy methods, some of which are crap, some of which are ok & some which are half decent.
2 :the "pro's" or perfectionists or those who paint for a living.
who tell anything else will be crap, apart from doing what they suggest.
problem is, most folks dont have access to da discs,spray booths,ovens never mind compressors!
so you;ve just got to try & get a decent looking finish with whatever you have.
if its only a one off, a packet of assorted wet & dry paper, a sanding block (or block of wood) & some aerosols will give an ok finish IF the preparation is good.
i bought a cheap compressor a year or 2 ago & its been a worthwhile investment.
got myself a hvlp gun, (cheap off ebay) & now buy my paint from a car paint place.
i have to say that most paint jobs i have done, look ok.
i suppose it all comes down to: how serious an attempt at painting is it?
is it worth shelling out for all that equipment?
or would it be easier just to pay someone to do it?
the original poster asked about "sandpaper" & taking all the old paint off.
think we can all agree on the preparation.
heavier grade to shape /flatten down filler.
finer grade after that, before pimer.
then finer between coats.
extra fine then lacquer.
cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Sanding down fairings advice Reply with quote

GSXReater wrote:
I bought some fairings with scratches which i want to repaint.

What sandpaper should i used to take off all the paint?

I want to take it down to bare plastic (oem plastics) so what should I use?

Thanks.


I honestly wouldn't use any kind of powered sanders on plastics without any experience of using them, I'd suggest starting with feathering out paint coat edges and scratches with 240 wet and dry and decide where to go from there. If you've gouges in the plastics your going to need a decent stopper filler to fill them first. If the edges/ stoppers causing to much work drop to a 120 grit, if it's starting to thin out other area's jump up to a 400 grit.
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
my apologies.
as your post came straight after mine, i presumed you were calling me feckless & telling me to stfu.
i'd forgotten there was actually someone called "feckless" lol
taken out of context, again my apologies.
i shouldnt be so touchy...
probably something to do with this engine rebuild not going the way i want it.

I was wondering who crapped in your cornflakes Very Happy

tutton wrote:
I personally disagree with all the posts so far on method,
if i was taking it back id use 120 or 180 on a da sander,
fill the gouges with filler, block sand with 80 to shape, smooth off filler till 240 grit, primer, rub down primer with 320 using a guidecoat, till smooth quick blast with wet and dry 800, and into the booth for shooting with some colour


We hadn't got to the mud slinging/filling part yet.. Wink
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