NIP

[Paulington]

Story;

My Gilera SC125 is registered to me but I cannot ride it yet (due to not being old enough) however my Dad is insured to ride it.

Got a letter today with an NIP for speeding (44mph in a 30mph zone) on the Gilera "someone" was riding it. Early Sunday morning on a huge bit of road that suddenly changes from a 50 to 30 for no apparent reason.

Said person was caught using a hand-held radar gun.

Anyway, I was wondering as I'm the registered owner the points will go on my licence but due to not being able to ride it surely I can argue this point?

I don't particularly want said person to get points on their licence either.

So tl;dr, will it be possible to respond with a PACE letter or something like that? Or say that it wasn't me riding as it's constantly garaged etc etc.

Help gratefully accepted, cheers.
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[Blau Zedong]

PACE is dead, baby.

If you don't aid the poo-poo in their investigation as to who WAS riding they can fine you and give you six points (he thinks).
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[Paulington]

Okay.

Could I say it was my Dad riding and therefore he'd have to accept the fixed penalty?
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"Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul."
Current Vehicles: '89 Kawasaki KDX200, '99 Yamaha XV535, '00 Honda ST1100 Pan-European, '08 Suzuki GSX-R1000, '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GS4 2.0 TDCi, '15 BMW 1 Series 116d Sport Turbo.
CBT: 27/08/08. Theory: 04/09/09. Module 1: 16/09/09. Module 2: 01/10/09.

[KevTM]

Can I just ask how your dad is insured for it? I was under the impression you had to be the registered keeper to have insurance for a vehicle? I'm assuming, of course, that you don't have insurance for it.

[chrisjacks]

you could but he wouldnt have to accept as he would then recieve a NIP and if he says no it comes back to you again just a bit worse.

[ricky_v]

https://forums.pepipoo.com/

they may beable to give you a definitive answer

[slj23]

who was riding it,tell them to own up.
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[ms51ves3]

[Ste]

as the registered keeper you're meant to know who uses the vehicle. your dad will be getting some points, presume he'll already know that he went slightly too fast past a man with a radar gun so the NIP probably won't come as a surprise.

[Paulington]

Well I know who was riding but it's not something I care to admit on a public forum just in case proceedings go odd, call me paranoid.

I think the person who was riding is just going to accept the fixed penalty and take the three points as they only have 3 points on their licence at the moment which they lose in November.

If I send the NIP back with details of who was riding, will they just get the NIP stating to accept the fixed penalty?

Cheers guys.

Edit: Ste, he didn't know until today. Under the bridge where they are they literally hide behind big pillars with their radar guns.
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"Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul."
Current Vehicles: '89 Kawasaki KDX200, '99 Yamaha XV535, '00 Honda ST1100 Pan-European, '08 Suzuki GSX-R1000, '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GS4 2.0 TDCi, '15 BMW 1 Series 116d Sport Turbo.
CBT: 27/08/08. Theory: 04/09/09. Module 1: 16/09/09. Module 2: 01/10/09.

[Blau Zedong]

Yup, the paper trail will move on to the victim you nominate on your NIP form.
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18:54:59 Rob Fzs: unless its their clothes/ hair/ golden teeth

[T.C]

Once you have notified the name of the driver, that person will then receive a conditional offer of a fixed penalty of £60 and 3 points.

If the rider accepts that theyn are guilty, it is simply a case of sending payment and licence off to the Central Ticket office who will endorse the licence and send it back.

This does not remove the right to plead not guilty, but if it is done as a time waster, the courts are inclined to hitn the offender hard for time wasting.

[stinkwheel]

Also, if you lie about who was riding and get found out, you can expect a criminal record and three months in jail for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
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[KevTM]

[Banned]

all my 9 points were not my fines, and you can insure a bike that aint yours...

steve

[Paulington]

My Dad insures the bike and as far as I know the Insurance company knows he is not the registered keeper and that I am.

I was just wondering. Will send the form off tomorrow nominating the rider as my Dad (whom was riding) and he'll get his NIP through.

Cheers guys!
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"Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul."
Current Vehicles: '89 Kawasaki KDX200, '99 Yamaha XV535, '00 Honda ST1100 Pan-European, '08 Suzuki GSX-R1000, '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GS4 2.0 TDCi, '15 BMW 1 Series 116d Sport Turbo.
CBT: 27/08/08. Theory: 04/09/09. Module 1: 16/09/09. Module 2: 01/10/09.

[T.C]

[Paulington]

My Dad is fully insured for the bike on his own policy just to clear up any confusion and he is legally entitled to be able to ride the bike.
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"Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul."
Current Vehicles: '89 Kawasaki KDX200, '99 Yamaha XV535, '00 Honda ST1100 Pan-European, '08 Suzuki GSX-R1000, '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GS4 2.0 TDCi, '15 BMW 1 Series 116d Sport Turbo.
CBT: 27/08/08. Theory: 04/09/09. Module 1: 16/09/09. Module 2: 01/10/09.

[Ariel Badger]

Why the thread?

Breakfast time..........Paulington opens letter.
"Dad, this is yours."

End of.
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[Pete.]

Unless more than 14 days have passes between the offence and the NIP arriving there's precious little you can do - unless you can prove a technical point like incorrect signage spacing etc and then it's not a surefire win. Either way you have to send the form back with someone's details or get 6 points for failing to provide details.

Put it this way - you weren't turning the throttle and going too fast so why would you rist your license for the person who did, no matter who it was?
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132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[Ichy]

Due to cloning it is possible that no one will get points as long as you can prove that there was no physical way that you were able to ride nor prove who was riding the bike with the recorded registration at the time of the offence.

As an example. If there are witnesses that you were at work at the time and the vehicle was either secured or incapacitated at a different address.
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[Drew]

[Ichy]

No idea where the obsession with insurance has come from but I would be amazed if they actually checked. Personally, although it was a very long time ago, I received points for not displaying 'L' plates but no recognition of a lack of insurance, tax, or MOT.
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[Drew]

So you don't think they will already know that the bike has no insurance on it after the camera cop put its reg into the computer (if that is the case)? So when they are informed with who was riding, they will also receive fine/points for that?

[ms51ves3]