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leeclissett
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Are bikers full of sh*t? Reply with quote

As per my title are we all full of muck? I lurk about on a few motorcycle forums and there are always threads about police, car drivers, truck drivers, poorly maintained roads and all manor of other things. Even when doing my DAS all the instructor ever talked about was how people were out to get us, we're a dying breed, etc.

Judging by the threads I've read and the few bikers I know it seems like we're actually a pretty mental bunch. Most of us break the law in some way but then moan about other road users and speed cameras and then blame most accidents on someone else. Wasn't there a statistic recently that most bike related deaths were actually attributable in some way to rider error and quite often excessive speed?

I'm the first to admit that I often ride too fast and we've all gone into corners and only just made it out alive before. Is it really just a "few" of us giving all bikers a bad rep or are we all just as bad as each other?
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone's a hypocrite.

I don't know about the study but the DoT did a study and on average put like 5% of accidents down to excessive speed. Which makes me wonder how they can justify spending so much money on it.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats what she said.





And on a serious note, bikers are a far, far more advanced race than these so called "Road users".
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone likes a good moan, biker or not!

If I get pulled for speeding I'm not going to give it the whole..........."Well I was breaking the law and the copper was doing his job"........ It will go more like......."Fecking Police hiding in a bush on a Sunday morning, the roads were empty, I was only doing 66 in a 60 what a load of shit!"
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you could harness hypocrisy into a fuel, none of us would ever visit the BP ever gain.
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorcyclists are like a crowd at a football match - all supporting the same thing but you wouldn't socialise with them all after.

Everyone is different yet it's always the trouble makers everyone remembers. Always has been and always will i'm afraid.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you'd like this thread answering, please visit "The worst/most stupid thing you've done thread".

Boom.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if you lurk on many car enthusiast forums you'll notice a similar trend.

The difference between cars drivers and bike riders is that far more of the motorcycles are enthusiasts, whereas with cars for most people it's a way to a means.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get me wrong, I love getting on my soap box and moaning about other people! Just seems like everyone I speak to has the attitude that we are supreme road users in every way and its a "few" bad eggs spoiling things for the rest of us.

Last weekend I saw plenty of bikers and at least 75% were speeding while maybe only 20% of the cars were breaking the speed limit.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
The difference between cars drivers and bike riders is that far more of the motorcycles are enthusiasts, whereas with cars for most people it's a way to a means.


Bloody good point well made! Problem is a lot of us seem to want it both ways, we're happy to ride like muppets but when it comes to the government slagging us off we suddenly become model citizens. Myself included.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving dangerously because you going fast is ok.

Driving dangerously because your putting your makeup on is one of the worst crimes in the world, and all those that do it should beheaded on the spot without trial.

Seriously I hadn't ridden for about a year and a half, in the first 2 days of commuting (Today and yesterday) and had 2 fucking bints pull out on me, one didn't bother looking, the other did but thought she would do it anyway.

Cunt! Now let me wheelie in peace!
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

leeclissett wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I love getting on my soap box and moaning about other people! Just seems like everyone I speak to has the attitude that we are supreme road users in every way and its a "few" bad eggs spoiling things for the rest of us.

Last weekend I saw plenty of bikers and at least 75% were speeding while maybe only 20% of the cars were breaking the speed limit.


And your definition of dangerous driving is going above the speed limit?
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fawbish wrote:

And your definition of dangerous driving is going above the speed limit?


No, as I've said before I'm a firm believer that the speed limit should actually be a minimum required speed Twisted Evil

But the reality is going above the speed limit is breaking the law so what place do we have to complain? Thinking back to this weekend there were plenty of corners I took at high speed, if there was a tractor broken down in the road I certainly wouldn't have had adequate stopping distance.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Are bikers full of sh*t? Reply with quote

leeclissett wrote:
As per my title are we all full of muck? I lurk about on a few motorcycle forums and there are always threads about police, car drivers, truck drivers, poorly maintained roads and all manor of other things. Even when doing my DAS all the instructor ever talked about was how people were out to get us, we're a dying breed, etc.

Judging by the threads I've read and the few bikers I know it seems like we're actually a pretty mental bunch. Most of us break the law in some way but then moan about other road users and speed cameras and then blame most accidents on someone else. Wasn't there a statistic recently that most bike related deaths were actually attributable in some way to rider error and quite often excessive speed?

I'm the first to admit that I often ride too fast and we've all gone into corners and only just made it out alive before. Is it really just a "few" of us giving all bikers a bad rep or are we all just as bad as each other?


No they are all pretty much valid points those people are making, just look at how hard the bike test is compared to the car test. As for police, truckers, the laws on speeding, poorly maintained roads they are maoned about by car drivers too. The fact that some things are illegal doesn't mean that it should be. Things like loud exhuasts and small plates, there's really no need for them to be illegal, the fact that ANPR can't read them doesn't justify stripping you of the pleasures of a small plate. There are FAR too many laws, a lot of them petty and over restrictive on our freedoms. It's your life and you should be free to live it with as few restrictions on that as possible.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

im own a motorbike but im not full of shit.

'bikers' are full of shit. blame everything on everyone else, say fuck da police, think they are valentino rossi, are often tough guys... are the type of people who always have gone one better... be it owning a better bike or even having a 'better' crash.

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PostPosted: 14:03 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tykey wrote:
im own a motorbike but im not full of shit.

'bikers' are full of shit. blame everything on everyone else, say fuck da police, think they are valentino rossi, are often tough guys... are the type of people who always have gone one better... be it owning a better bike or even having a 'better' crash.

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PostPosted: 14:07 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just because it's the "law" does not mean it's right...
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAMSXR wrote:
Just because it's the "law" does not mean it's right...


That type of answer always makes me laugh, especially when that muppet Clarkson starts going on about speed cameras. I'll just start coming round at night and stealing your bikes shall I? The law says I can't but clearly as a society we're allowed to choose which laws we want to obey.

Personally I think some speed limits in this country are a joke but you wont then catch me trying to worm my way out of a ticket or blame the system. We all jump on people on the dole, criminals and immigrants when they twist the system but then we act like hypocrites!
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
tykey wrote:
im own a motorbike but im not full of shit.

'bikers' are full of shit. blame everything on everyone else, say fuck da police, think they are valentino rossi, are often tough guys... are the type of people who always have gone one better... be it owning a better bike or even having a 'better' crash.

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PostPosted: 14:23 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you wont then catch me trying to worm my way out of a ticket


Why not if you can? I have.

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I'll just start coming round at night and stealing your bikes shall I? The law says I can't but clearly


Obviously there are allot of very reasonable laws, but laws are always being changed and modified for the very reason that some of them are wrong!!

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as a society we're allowed to choose which laws we want to obey.


That's how it works for me Wink . I don't steel/rape/murder etc... But I do speed, watch pirate DVDs and smoke cannabis Shocked !
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAMSXR wrote:
That's how it works for me Wink . I don't steel/rape/murder etc... But I do speed, watch pirate DVDs and smoke cannabis Shocked !


OFF WITH HIS HEAD Laughing

Don't get me wrong, forums are by their very nature full of nutters who just want to rant and I'm the same. Just seems like bikers have this opinion that the world is out to get them when the reality is most of us ride pretty hard. Add to this the fact that a lot of us seem to think we are superior to other road users and you can see why people think we're a nuisance.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't get me wrong, forums are by their very nature full of nutters who just want to rant and I'm the same. Just seems like bikers have this opinion that the world is out to get them when the reality is most of us ride pretty hard. Add to this the fact that a lot of us seem to think we are superior to other road users and you can see why people think we're a nuisance.


Well I hope I'm not one of them!

I think part of the reason you get that impression is say someone gets pulled over for speeding, they get pissed off, get home that night and rant on a forum to get it off their chest?

It also depends on the situation, if a biker is caught speeding by a sly copper hiding down an empty road at 7.30 on a Sunday morning, I would think Mr biker has every right to be a little pissed! On the other hand if he's speeding through the middle of town and is flashed by a camera then although it may be annoying, he only really has himself to blame.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

leeclissett wrote:

That type of answer always makes me laugh, especially when that muppet Clarkson starts going on about speed cameras. I'll just start coming round at night and stealing your bikes shall I? The law says I can't but clearly as a society we're allowed to choose which laws we want to obey.


LOL this reminds me of Caroline Lucas...

Caroline Lucas: "One persons freedom starts to undermine another persons freedom, the freedom to fly as much as we like"

David Bannerman: "Who Says?"

Caroline Lucas: "No I would think even you agree people cant go around knifing people in the street, because there are limits to people freedom, there are always limits to people freedom. The question is where you draw it, and because I take climate change rather more seriously than you do..."

David Bannerman: "Flying to Spain is not the same as knifing someone in the street"

Caroline Lucas: "Yes it is David".

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PostPosted: 14:52 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you're right, all my mates are miserable bastards so I shouldn't really be using them to gauge opinion!
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

leeclissett wrote:


That type of answer always makes me laugh, especially when that muppet Clarkson starts going on about speed cameras. I'll just start coming round at night and stealing your bikes shall I? The law says I can't but clearly as a society we're allowed to choose which laws we want to obey.


If they put as much money, manpower and effort into the detection and prevention of motorcycle theft as they do into catching people speeding, there would probably be a great deal less bitter, disillusioned motorcyclists out there.

There are also degrees of lawbreaking.

Speeding by itself is a victimless crime. You are hurting no-one, it's just on a presumed potential to cause harm, a potential that is vastly overrated in terms of the resources applied to it in my oppinion.

Dangerous driving is a different matter as the potential to cause harm is rapidly approaching 100%. It's a matter of when, not if something happens. I have no problem with people being stopped and prosecuted for driving without due care or dangerous driving. This may include inappropriate speed for the conditions but shouldn't, I feel, be based on a simple numerical formula of xxmph =DwDCA and xxxmph = DD as it seems to be heading just now. Each case should be treated on its merits.

Theft directly affects another individual. As such the potential to cause harm to another person is already 100% and prosecution is always appropriate.
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