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PostPosted: 08:02 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: jumping from 250cc to 1000cc is it ok??? Reply with quote

hello people give me some advice.. pls thanks
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

how long you been riding? Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

nooooooooo you know its wrong
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic has been well covered in the last couple of weeks....

The only person who can make that decision is YOU.....

It all depends on how good you throttle to brain interface is at noticing the change....


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PostPosted: 08:16 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be rate.

from a ped to a 600, a year has passed and i'm still alive ragging the poor thing.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bENN wrote:
You'll be rate.

from a ped to a 600, a year has passed and i'm still alive ragging the poor thing.

A 600 is quite a different proposition to a 1000.

I'm 100% certain that a 600 is an acceptable first bike in terms of DAS etc (They still do 160mph and accelerate like mental. Nobody would have a car that could do that as a first car!) . A 1000cc four cylinder sportsbike, or 1000cc V twin sporty bike is not an acceptable first big bike.

"Oh the throttle goes both ways, only you can decide." I'm sorry but that is total and utter bollocks. Throttle control is something that needs to be learned, not something that is automatically endowed on you when you pass your test. The subtlety of throttle control required for a 1000cc sportsbike is something that only comes with experience.

I've been riding ten years and I felt that the fireblade I had a couple of years back was too twitchy for the road. Not just in handling terms but in throttle response too.

Something like a fazer 1000 might be a little bit softer, but I still wouldn't reccomend it. What I find to be amazing is that people don't seem to realise that the real world performance difference between a 600cc four sportsbike and a 1000cc four is nothing. The true difference is something that can only be harnessed by the best riders, and even then things like superstock lap times are not that far off supersport considering the difference between a 250cc commuter and a 600.

Seriously progression is best, and I wouldn't reccomend buying a 1000cc sportsbike until you've had a twitchy 600 sportsbike for a couple of years. There are of course large capacity sportsbikes which are pretty forgiving, for example the Triumph Daytona 955i. In actual fact though its probably slower than a modern 600 because it has a weight disadvantage. I'd class it along with a Fazer 1000 as a 'softer' 1000.

There are plenty of 600's around, they are pretty easy to start on and yet hard to master, and one slip of the right wrist isn't going to necessarily have you off in a hedge. What shocked me on the 'blade was that if you hit a bump it can jar your hand enough to make a significant throttle change. If that happened mid corner I dread to think what would happen.

If you HAVE to have a 1000 then I would consider something like a VTR1000 firestorm which only has a similar performance to a sports 6.

I would rule out stuff like the Fireblade, ZX10, R1 and GSXR1000 though.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be going from a 125 (scooter) to a 1000cc fireblade/firestorm within the next few months. I would of been riding the 125 for about 11 months by the time I get the other bike.

I think it's down to you confidence and experiance. I've been lucky enough to of rode a 33bhp gs500 through my restriction, and a gsx600f for a few months after it. As long as you ride with a sensible head for the first few weeks then you will get used to the bike like any other.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

marjay summed it up perfectly. Thumbs Up
IMO you deffo need to spend some time on a sports 6 before moving upto a litre but it`s your choice at the end of the day.
tbh you`ll be be shocked by the power difference going from a 250 to a 600 anyway so there`s no real reason to get a superbike just yet.
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: jumping from 250cc to 1000cc is it ok??? Reply with quote

They haven't specified what 250 or what 1000.
Go from a fast 250 to some cruiser 1000s and you'll be losing performance significantly.

Go from a EL250 to a brand new GSXR1000 and the difference is markedly different.

I think attitude is important personally. If you are sensible, keep it in a higher gear and don't make decent use of the power on the litre bike, you'll be fine, though are still likely to get caught out at some point unless you're /really/ sensible.
If you're the type that likes to rag bikes decently, then if nothing else you'll find you're getting to the next corner at a hell of a lot faster speed, never mind that mid-corner throttle makes a massively bigger difference.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been riding bikes for years at home but wouldnt make such a jump- Im planning on getting a 600 and then upgrading. How about upgrading to something other than a 1000cc sports bike?
You need to be fully in control and know your bike when your on the road but your be putting yourself in trouble getting to know it on something like a blade!
Also have you thought about insurance for it? As some insurance companies ask about your previous experience with bikes.
Im guessing it might also be a status thing 'I got a 1000cc blade' etc but be careful!
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's down to the rider... some people are born with a natural gift if you decide to be a funny so and so then you'll dump it be careful and you'll be fine

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PostPosted: 10:39 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What 250/1000?

I think you'll find if you go to a quick 1000cc, you'll inevitably lose confidence on the bike as it will scare you?

Also, why go to 1000cc straight away? As MarJay said, a lot of 1000ccs (Yamaha R1, GSXR1000 etc) are twitchy etc. I know someone who bought a brand new 2009 R1 and riding for 5 years on a 600 before finds the bike too twitchy and overpowered for the road.

But this is all skepticism, tell us what bikes! Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive almost exclusively ridden litre and litreplus bikes for the last 5-6 years and find them lovely on road, not a handful at all.

You could go from a 250 to a litrebike if you are a disciplined and careful rider with a gentle right wrist.

I jumped from a CG125 to a FZ750 and was fine....
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand all the fus over 1000's , i've ridden some of the most popular ones and it was just 'meh' even flat out etc
apart from easier power wheelies im in no rush to get one.

imo, on the road, there isn't much difference between a 600 and a 1000
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bENN wrote:
I don't understand all the fus over 1000's , i've ridden some of the most popular ones and it was just 'meh' even flat out etc
apart from easier power wheelies im in no rush to get one.

imo, on the road, there isn't much difference between a 600 and a 1000


Where have you ridden a litre bike flat out? Not many places you can do 150mph+.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:

Where have you ridden a litre bike flat out? Not many places you can do 150mph+.

There's a new road type, may not have them where you are, but they're called 'motorways' Wink.

Make a decent effort riding a 600 and a 1000 on country lanes, on track, etc and there's not going to be much difference. The big thing is that riding at 25-75%, it's easier to go a pretty fast speed on the big bike without making an effort.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A thou's only ever used for bragging rights to be perfectly honest with you and I just find it's an exetension of my genitals. I was much happier riding smaller capacity bikes and I think for british roads, were it not for the fact that my Blade came up for a reasonable bargain, I would have still loitered about on my ancient ZX6R. Certainly the smaller capacity bikes were more fun and rewarding to ride but the point of having a big bore sports bike is the laziness and flexibility of the engine. Conversely, you're just as liable to lose your license on any bike for that matter, except a small flick of the throttle on a thou can launch you to 3 figure speeds in seconds.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin1Titz wrote:
except a small flick of the throttle on a thou can launch you to 3 figure speeds in seconds.
Razz


Shifty Near enough.. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hell probably end up faceplanting a tree Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I forgot Colin's venerable quote! d'oh

That said, If you miss riding a 250cc bike, with a thou, just disconnect 3 of the HT leads, which effectively renders you with a 250cc bike... or one one which refuses to run at all lol
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats the point? its just purely for the fact you can say.. oh yeah i have a 1000cc. (tart factor)
a 600 will go fast enough for british roads.
anyone can ride a 1000cc bike. riding it well is the difficult bit.

plus.. if you have to ask if its the wrong thing to do. thats generally the first red flag telling you that you shouldnt do it.

only move up to that power when you KNOW you can ride a 1000cc properly and not just sit on it while it rolls uncontrollably underneath you.

Tart Factor Fact - a supermodel in a bikini on a repsol honda looks fantastic, but if she started it she would fall off.
same applies to you, in expensive gear on a 1000cc bike you look great, but when you do fall off, even 50cc ped bois will chug past you and laugh. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: jumping from 250cc to 1000cc is it ok??? Reply with quote

G wrote:
If you are sensible, keep it in a higher gear and don't make decent use of the power on the litre bike, you'll be fine,


who would do that, if you were sensible with the power there wouldnt be much point in having a 1000cc bike would there?
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

600's are cheaper to run (fuel/tax/insure) while being more fun than a thou on public roads. A thou will give you more torque, so if you are more of a calm, relaxed rider a thou makes more sense.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: jumping from 250cc to 1000cc is it ok??? Reply with quote

carlperkins001 wrote:

who would do that, if you were sensible with the power there wouldnt be much point in having a 1000cc bike would there?

Indeed, I have expressed similar sentiments in the past - though as mentioned, the 'lazyness' factor is one for the big bikes - you can be in any gear and still have a reasonable amount of power, along with high gearing. 'Mr Sensible' is also problably more likely to want to not have the need to rag the bike.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

There's a new road type, may not have them where you are, but they're called 'motorways' Wink.



Way too many scameras round here to do that sort of speed Except M54).

But its a straight line anyway and anyone can go fast in a straight line. Mr. Green
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