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PostPosted: 10:30 - 15 Aug 2009    Post subject: any suggestions on 2 litre diesel cars ? Reply with quote

I may be becoming a sales rep next year. In which case, I would need to get a 2 litre diesel car. The company pays a lot of the fuel bills, so they specify it cant be bigger than 2 litre.

I'm wanting something that will be comfy and effortless on motorway cruises.

I dont want cars with alloys or run flats.

I'm currently thinking rover 75 or citroen c5.

Id be thinking of spending something between £1500 and £4000.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 15 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an 02 rover 45 impression s, parents have an 05 rover 25 and a 54 rover 45. All are 2L turbos.

Removing the stereotype surrounding these cars, they are actually very nice! Very reliable, good fuel economy, cheap tax (actually the same to tax as my 1.2 petrol corsa I had) and of course there are plenty of spares around.

They do look smart but they do fill up a parking space because they are quite large cars and the 75 would be even bigger. There is lots of boot space though but most of them do come with alloys. It copes well in towns and motorways- is a good car for going steadily and certainly has the extra turbo pull factor when needed! And also if your on a hill and over taking it will 'own' lol

They are lovely cars and I would very highly recommend a 2L diesel one. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 15 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you considered a Saab?
The most comfortable seats ever, they arent the usual 'repmobile' and you can get a lot of car for your money.

I think you might struggle to find a decent car with steel wheels though - why dont you want alloys?
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 15 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have you considered a Saab?
The most comfortable seats ever, they arent the usual 'repmobile' and you can get a lot of car for your money.

I think you might struggle to find a decent car with steel wheels though - why dont you want alloys?


I probably got that wrong when I said I dont want alloys.

What I meant to say, is I dont want oversize wheels with thin tyres.

Come to think of it, my current car has alloys, and thats fine.

What I mean is I dont want the thing of oversize alloys and thin tyres for sharp handling, as I want comfort.

An astra would not be good, as I'd be doing mega miles, maybe 40,000 a year. Id want something that is designed for motorway cruising, not nipping to the shops.

Vectra may be worth considering, but I have a feeling wdnt be as good as a citroen c5 or rover 75.

I know taxi drivers get avensis's, so I know they can do mega miles, but I tend to think there are more plush cars for not much cash.

I've seen a 2002 rover 75 go for £1500. I think of the 75 as a bit more luxurious than an avensis. BMW's hold their value too well, so a 2002 bmw would be quite pricey in comparison.

I'll have a look at saabs.

Comfy seats is where its at for me.

My current car has gorgeous seats, so thats the kind of thing I want, ideally with electrical raising and lowering.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 15 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passat. That is all.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 15 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Passat. That is all.


Yeah this is a very good point. I'd forgotten about that one.

I did two company visits, with different bosses. One has a snazzy new astra, the other has a passat with about 100,000 miles on it.

The passat was exactly the kind of ride I want, smooth, and comfy at motorway speeds.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 15 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get what you mean about the alloys now Col.
Seriously, try a Saab, you will be amazed Thumbs Up

In my last job all i did was drive different cars around, i found the Saabs, Audi's and Mercs were very comfy, Skoda Superbs were pretty good too.

BMW's never seemed that great to me, a lot of them tend to have a very firm ride.

Dont discount Mondeo's, for mile crunching they are ace
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 15 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hummm, I had a P reg 306 TDS. It is my fave car of all cars I've owned. Was perfect until I stacked it into a oversized pavement, shafted the steering column Sad

Its not fast, but its fun Smile. . Used ot race it evey weekend around MK roud-a-bout run.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passat is a good bet, I'd suggest a BMW 320d or 520d too. Problem with the BMWs i've always found though is that the pedals are offset from the seat and it can be uncomfortable on long distance drives, doesn't seem to be a problem on coupes, only saloons and estates, 5 series are lovely cars though.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drove a Mondeo for around 6 months, It was '06.
Great car all round, Had cruise control which was great on the motorway, The only fault which I found with the car was the sun blockers (Sorry, i'm slightly intoxicated and for the life of me can't remember the proper name for them) don't cover right to the right hand side of the car frame.
Very annoying as if the sun is on your eyes to the east the sun blockers are useless.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the Passat with the 2.0tdi engine, get it remapped, you will see 60mpg on a motorway cruise.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
Passat is a good bet, I'd suggest a BMW 320d or 520d too. Problem with the BMWs i've always found though is that the pedals are offset from the seat and it can be uncomfortable on long distance drives, doesn't seem to be a problem on coupes, only saloons and estates, 5 series are lovely cars though.


The only thing with 520d is they havent been making them that long, and bmws hold their value, so I couldnt get a 520d for less than £10k.

I guess I should consider 320d, but I think they are probably a bit too much of a drivers car, for handling, rather than for comfortable cruising.

Dom whats this stuff about getting an engine remapped ?

Is that a fuel map for economy or something ?

I've just found out there was a 2litre diesel omega. I like these. Anyone got an opinion on them ?
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Col they've been making 520d's for over 15 years, you'd be able to pick one up for peanuts.

Mine was just a performance remap from 140-180bhp but it feels like a different engine, better throttle response, better economy, more torque. Round town I get about 4mpg more than I did before the map. Best I manged was an average 78mpg on a 12 mile run from my nans house, I didn't go above 1500 revs though.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about a Jaguar? You can pic up 2 litre x-types on a 54 plate for £4000 and under. If you like comfy you have to go a long way to beat a Jag.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom_ wrote:
Col they've been making 520d's for over 15 years, you'd be able to pick one up for peanuts.



I've not seen any older than 2005, and they are about £10k.

Remapping the passat sounds good.

My boss had a problem with her fuel pump. Did you have any fuel pump problems ?
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizzzard wrote:
How about a Jaguar? You can pic up 2 litre x-types on a 54 plate for £4000 and under. If you like comfy you have to go a long way to beat a Jag.


yeah I guess I shd think about jags.

I hear they are based on mondeos, are they much different ?

I guess I shd try some cars out.

So far the list is looking like

sabb 9-5

omega, although getting a bit old now

passat

citroen c5

rover 75

audi a6
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omegas are good cars Col.
Very comfy, usually a good spec and cheap too.
Ive not driven a diesel one, but the v6's go quite well.

Jag x types are pretty much like a Mondeo compared to ride quality and comfort, thats not a bad thing though.

A car ive been thinking about lately is the Volvo s40.
Nice to drive, comfy, reliable etc etc, and not bad looking i reckon.
Also the feeling of quality is really up there with them.
https://www.pridemotorcontracts.co.uk/images/cars/volvo%20s40.jpg

https://www.desktopcar.net/wallpaper/19043-2/Volvo-S40-2004-06.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm now a bit puzzled by 520d

wiki says they were first available in 2000, but ive not seen any on ebay before 2004
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
I'm now a bit puzzled by 520d

wiki says they were first available in 2000, but ive not seen any on ebay before 2004


The E39 520d first appeared here in 2000 and the E60 520d arrived in 2005, after the 530d and 525d.

Both are excellent cars, but you won't get an E60 within your budget.

Please for love of God do not buy a Rover 75 diesel (Diesel lift pumps/fuel coolers/intercoolers/radiator fans/engines/gearboxes all very common problems). Or a C5, far far too much to go wrong with the suspension.

I would seriously reconsider a Toyota Avensis. Have you been in a later shape Avensis? They are very comfortable and not like other Jap cars which all remind of an '89 Datsun Cherry interior wise. The Avensis is just about indestructible, with the only real problems I've heard about being turbochargers failing (which as Toyota won't let IHI release them through thier aftermarket program they are main dealer only and cost over £1k, a used one shouldn't be hard to find though) but very few and far between.

I'd even pick an Avensis over a 520d, and I hate FWD, I hate Jap cars and I love BMWs, that's how good that car is.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

The avensis is definitely a favourite amongst taxi drivers, and i guess they are gonna pick things that are reliable for high mileage.

Im a bit disappointed that 75s have reliability problems.

Im still thinking id prefer something towards the luxury end, passat onwards, I cant help thinking that the avensis is more functional than luxurious.

I guess maybe I should add the avensis to my list, but the list is already quite big.

Im still puzzled why the E39 520ds arent appearing on ebay.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 16 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look on autotrader there may be some on there.

Had no problem with my fuel pump, if you remap a 170bhp 2.0tdi then you may run into problems with the dpf (diesel particulate filter) but thats no issue with the 140bhp version as it doesn't have one.
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Im still puzzled why the E39 520ds arent appearing on ebay.


Parker's guide doesn't list them as a UK model, although my parts systems do, and they appear in the UK model search on BMW's website (although they have none for sale either).

If (and I think they were) officially marketed here, then I doubt many people chose them over the 525d or 530d. The larger engined E39s would of returned pretty similar MPG figures, better performance (although the earlier 525d had a 20hp deficit) and would of offered no tax benefits. A bit of a no brainer in this country really at the time. The current 520d has a stonking motor though.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 17 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only reason I suggested a 320 or 520d is due to your 2litre limit, however that is a rather arbitrary limit imposed by your boss as it doesn't really reflect economy, ultimately as you will be buying the car I'd suggest getting whatever is suitable aslong as the fuel economy is equivalent to other 2litre diesels.

The 325/525 TDS BMWs are better and much more common, both are the same engine and will get you a consistent 50mpg and they're both cheap to buy now and plenty of examples so you can find a nice one. The 530d which I have has a fair bit more power but you're down to about 45mpg, they're also more expensive to buy and they're newer.

I don''t know what engine the 2.0 diesel Omega uses, presumably a vauxhal one out of a Vectra or something, don't see many about. The 2.5 diesel is the better one, it uses the BMW engine out of the cars mentioned above.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 17 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
The only reason I suggested a 320 or 520d is due to your 2litre limit, however that is a rather arbitrary limit imposed by your boss as it doesn't really reflect economy, ultimately as you will be buying the car I'd suggest getting whatever is suitable aslong as the fuel economy is equivalent to other 2litre diesels.

The 325/525 TDS BMWs are better and much more common, both are the same engine and will get you a consistent 50mpg and they're both cheap to buy now and plenty of examples so you can find a nice one. The 530d which I have has a fair bit more power but you're down to about 45mpg, they're also more expensive to buy and they're newer.

I don''t know what engine the 2.0 diesel Omega uses, presumably a vauxhal one out of a Vectra or something, don't see many about. The 2.5 diesel is the better one, it uses the BMW engine out of the cars mentioned above.


Yeah i'd agree 2.5 diesel would be better, but rules are rules. I think the rule is based on the CO² output of the car. Someone once gave me a long lift in 2.5 diesel omega, and it was great on the motorway, quite probably better than the passat.

It would make waves if I tried to say I should be allowed a 2.5 car, when 2 other reps would have liked to have a 2.5 car.

There is a thing of with seniority you get to have bigger engine size, so if I were to try to get the bigger engine, it would be bad form.

I might find out what the exact rules are, and see if I can do it within the rules.

I quite like the idea of a bmw 525, but a passat or rover 75 would probably be fine too.
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Phoenix wrote:
I don''t know what engine the 2.0 diesel Omega uses, presumably a vauxhal one out of a Vectra or something, don't see many about. The 2.5 diesel is the better one, it uses the BMW engine out of the cars mentioned above.


I think the newer omega diesels have vauxhall's own 2.2 IL4 engine in.. which would be the same one as in the vectra.. the older ones with the BMW 2.5TD engine in are much better, more reliable and more economical

also, they run on a slightly lower power map than the engine does in the 525tds, it's possible to get an omega remapped to give better performance and economy.

I drove a Rover 75 2.0CDTI on and off for two years, overall it's a really nice car, provided you can get past the mock-tudor interior, bright orange illuminated fake-parchment style beige clocks, beige leather interior and boatload of fake chrome.. the electric driver's seat can be adjusted to fit pretty much anyone, i've personally done 350mile trips without a break and didn't feel tired.

However, you should know that the 75 is a *really* heavy car, they're not fast (at all), they eat tyres, they're really sensitive to low rear tyre tread (worn rears create amazing amounts of understeer) and you'll get about 46mpg out of it unless you drive like a nun.

My uncle had a Citroen c5 non-turbo diesel estate for his work (local plumber) after a long string of Volvo estates, in his words you could "tell it was french" and it "moved slower than a high-carb breakfast"

with a 4k budget you've got a massive range of possibilities.. vectra, passat, mondeo, Volvo s80D, Audi A4 tdi, Skoda Octavia, saab 9-3, bmw 320d, Discovery 300TDI, P38 Range Rover DSE (ok you wont get more than 35mpg out of the last two but they're cool Smile )

My father does ~60,000 motorway miles a year, he currently has a 2.0TD Honda Accord which does about 52mpg, his advice on picking a distance car is try them all out and pick the one that has the best seat and nicest sounding radio Very Happy
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