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PostPosted: 00:57 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Bit of a silly question.. Reply with quote

This may sound stupid, but do bikes use anymore/much more petrol with twin exhausts, than a single one?
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use much more what? Confused
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PostPosted: 01:38 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petrol.
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PostPosted: 02:56 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it depends on your riding style, take it steady and it sips it like a butterfly drinking nectar, give it a handful and it drinks juice like a thirsty elephant. Pretty sure 2 exhausts makes no odds and its just they way the bike was made.
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PostPosted: 03:07 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely no difference whatsoever. Generally it's the cubic capacity (cc) and the way it's ridden that determine fuel usage. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 03:47 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Absolutely no difference whatsoever. Generally it's the cubic capacity (cc) and the way it's ridden that determine fuel usage. Thumbs Up


More to do with the tuning and weight than the CC.
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PostPosted: 04:03 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
More to do with the tuning and weight than the CC.

I said generally. Why would I go into the ins and outs of how fuel consumption is detrimented by weight and tuning when he's just asking whether more exhaust pipes mean more fuel used.

I just felt like a simple answer was enough. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 04:44 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
chris-red wrote:
More to do with the tuning and weight than the CC.

I said generally. Why would I go into the ins and outs of how fuel consumption is detrimented by weight and tuning when he's just asking whether more exhaust pipes mean more fuel used.

I just felt like a simple answer was enough. Thumbs Up


It might be simple but it's wrong.

This web site qoute the GSXR600/750 to have the same mpg and the 1000 only a little bit less.

https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/MotorcycleFuelEconomyGuide/Suzuki.htm

My TDM900 will get much better MPG than a 400/600 sports bike.
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PostPosted: 05:29 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typically a single exhaust system such as a 4 into 1 will provide more back pressure giving better mid range power. A dual exhaust system like a 4 into 2 will be more free flowing and give potentially more peak power, this will often come at the cost of some mid range power. These changes may cause you to ride the bike differently and change up a gear slightly later on the twin exhaust system using a little more fuel. I'd be suprised if there were more than 0.1 mpg in it though.

Bike fuel usage is:

Gas throughput * efficiency.

Gas throughput is the bikes capacity times it's current revs.
Short stroke engines like those found in sports bikes rev higher giving greater gas throughput, and lose efficiency due to a less efficient cumbustion area shape.

Due to its smaller cylinder size a little bike will consume very little fuel when ridden slowly, but this can increase drastically when revved hard.
A bigger bike will of course use more fuel than the little bike at the same revs, but it shouldn't be neccisary to rev it hard as often as the smaller bike.
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PostPosted: 07:03 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
Typically a single exhaust system such as a 4 into 1 will provide more back pressure giving better mid range power. A dual exhaust system like a 4 into 2 will be more free flowing and give potentially more peak power, this will often come at the cost of some mid range power.


I don't think that's true. Nowadays it's all down to aesthetics.

My busa has 4-2 and has more mid range power than say a GSXR 1000 with a 4-1, but that hasn't anything to do with the exhaust configuration.

My thoughts are it's all down to weight saving on a race bike and copying the style on the sports bikes.
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PostPosted: 07:40 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bikes fuel economy will be affected by all of these factors and many more. What you need to remember is that all of these items affect the flow of fuel/air into the cylinders and gas/air out of it.

Putting a free-er flowing can, air filter and upping the jetting size allows faster flow through the engine, more fuel to be mixed with the faster moving (higher pressure) air and creates more power.

This will affect fuel economy but not to a huge extent. The exhaust design will restrict how quickly the gasses are allowed to leave the engine and so will have an input but the quality of the design will have more effect than whether there is one or two cans.

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PostPosted: 09:49 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a twin can system for an SRX 600. Utterly pointless when its a single!

https://www.srx600.f2s.com/srx600/exhausts/images/over2.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
You can get a twin can system for an SRX 600. Utterly pointless when its a single!

https://www.srx600.f2s.com/srx600/exhausts/images/over2.jpg


Isn't it a twin ported single though? 2 into two looks OK to me. Also a twin port will flow better than one large single port. I quite like the looks of two cans, lends a symmetry to the back end.

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PostPosted: 12:11 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
You can get a twin can system for an SRX 600. Utterly pointless when its a single!



I had a DR650 single that had a stock twin exhaust. Sounded awesome.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

it shouldn't because theres still 4 - 6 valves coming out of the engine but there just 2-3 valves into two exhausts or 4-6 valves into one exhaust
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
You can get a twin can system for an SRX 600. Utterly pointless when its a single!


The Yamaha XT660 and the Honda FMX650 also come with twin cans and they are both singles.
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