OT Push bikes, bmx, mountain

[Smoto Bob]

I have been practising allot on my mountain bike but it was crappy 2 years ago and has now Completely fallen apart

So i am after a push bike to wheelie, rolling stoppy spin round ect and stunt it with out hurting my self or my motorbike.

How ever i never actually ride any where so i was wondering if a BMX would be better?? Never had one do they have good brakes? Smaller frame easier to play about on??

Or would a decent 2nd hand mountain bike be better, as i have been using a friends Apollo Rampage and that has wicked V brakes and full suspension that i can tail whip rolling stoppy ect.

Any info would be good
cheers people
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[Sparks!]

I used to do loads of stunting on push bikes a few years back.

Had a hard tail Kona mountain bike, but it had a smallish frame which was ideal for throwing about doing stoppies and stuff.

Mostly liked doing down hill and jumps though, but used to wheely them for ages (had a play on the push bike I now have, and can wheely it a bit, but not far, not very fit these days )

Rolling stoppies, usually end up with me going over the bars, but used to do all the time, same with sliding the back everywhere etc.

Don't like BMX's personally, you'd be better off with a trialsy type mountain bike.
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[Josh]

My little brothers mountain bike, doesn't take much abuse, a few bunny hops, stoppies and rock hopping missions, and I buckled his wheel.
My older brothers BMX though, is fun for a laugh, and takes abuse like a good little stunt bike, abuse that has ranged from simple falls on slow stunts, to coming down a set of steps, and throwing myself and the BMX over a small (3foot) wall and down a 6 foot drop into a stream.
Good times :>
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[WildGoose]

bmx's (decent ones) can take a huge amount of punishment, they feel a whole lot more solid and rigid compared to modern mountain bikes, and i preferred this feel

of course they are absurd for actually riding anywhere, but to and from skateparks was just about do-able

brakes. i dont know, mine never had any took them off to simplify things and just learned to not need brakes
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[Frost]

A Proper BMX is near unbreakable. ive seen people bail on a vert witht he bike falling 20ft into concrete, they pick up the bike and carry on!

brakes on a BMX can be very good, they are not the most controlable, but good for a near instant wheel lock to pull off tricks.

[Slavo]

[SDR]

Trials bike will do you good! easy to weely stoppy, and generally stunt! IMO a BMX will be hard to wheely forlon distances because it only has 1 gear!

[Ste]

The advantage of a mountain bike for doing wheelies is that you can work through the gears to increase the speed. A very useful thing to learn to do is when you are doing a wheelie is to just cover the back brake lever as you can use the back brake to bring the front down a little bit if you feel its about to go over backwards. I find it is slightly easier to wheelie on a slight uphill slop, as you can use the increase in gradient to cover any increase in speed you're making and thus don't end up going as fast as the bike will go as that hurts if you fall off the back whilsts flat out .

With doing stoppies, start small and build up from there the main thing is to use your body weight and move yourself around as you can control how far the bike goes, and also if you think its going to far if you move your self backwards then the balance point of no return becomes further foward so you're less likely to flip foward . When doing stoppies its best to stand up, as you're able to move around a lot more, and the landing is more comfoy . Generally I only sit down in a stoppie after it's off the ground and then only when doing a no footed one.

The most important thing with both of these is to practise lots and lots, and to start small. Find somewhere quiet where you're not in risk of being run over by cars all the time, as it looks good once you're able to wheelie doing wheelies on the road past traffic, but it's not a good place to learn funnily enough . Also wear your helmet and gloves when you're learning definatly as well, the ground can do a good job of skinning your hands, and my helmet has saved my head a couple of times whilst on push bikes .

Good luck, and happy stunting .

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[rizo9]

my advice is to look into second hand bikes. if you want to be doing a lot of stoppies i would suggest a front disc brake.
i have just stop MTBing as i now have a motor bike.
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[Smoto Bob]

Have been on a few of those cheep mountain bike with the Mechanical disk brakes ont he front and they were both absolutely useless . A hydraulic disk front brake i guess would be damn impressive, and i have even seen hydyloic V pad brakes? if that makes sense, they must be pritty good as well.

Was just getting the hang of stuff on myn , could even coaster wheely with legs out (for a very short amount of time lol)
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[rizo9]

this is my old bike below. it has a 4 pot front hydrolic brake and 2 pot back. incredible stopping power.

the hydrolic rim brakes you are on about are magura HS33 do a search on Mr google.

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[G]

I have the Magura HS33 brakes on my Ms-Isle.

They are as good as the Magura Louise Disc Brakes I used to have on a Carrera Hellcat; though the pads on the HS33 are £25 for a pair ... tried getting some cheap ones but they were no where near as good .

[Ste]

A useful thing to have and to be able to do if you're gonna get into bikes a lot of wheel building and repairing. It's quite complicated to start with, and when you have a set built get a pro. to finish it off just to check all the tensions are correct, but being able to fix a small buckle yourself will save you a lot of time, hassle and money .

Brakes... v-brakes are perfectly powerful enough to stop the bike and to stunt with, just the hydralics are slightly more powerful and can be fine tuned more. The advantage of discs is a small ding in the wheel doesn't affect the brakes. I use v-brakes and do not have a single problem with them, and unlike hydralic rim brakes the pads don't cost the earth .

Doing "tow-in's" where you are holding onto a car/ motorbike and it gets speed up is very useful for doing bigger jumps or just generally impressive stuff, but trying it on an old worn out bike is not a good at all really. A good way to learn if you are wanting to get into jumping is something called lake jumping. Find a lake, and set up a nice ramp by it. You're able to do the jump and the trick in the air without having to worry about the landing. Don't land on the bike especially if you've come away from it in midair. Wear a buoyancy aid and a helmet just out of common sense and safetys sake really. If you are still holding onto the bike as you hit the water, we warned the bike might end up in the weeds/ reeds on the bottom and you then have to spend ages trying to find it and get it out nearly lost my bike like that once .Also worth remembering that cos you can do something in a lake jump doesn't mean you can then do it on dirt jumps as well, you have to worry about the landing don't you .

Good luck and enjoy .

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[JonB]

I built my bike from scratch, I chose a light 7005 Alloy Giant frame, no stickers, just silver. Put on some cheapish alloy rims, some SR Suntour 100mm front suspension, Magura hs33 hydrolicrim brakes, some tioga 1.3inch wheels, tioga seat. Shimano Deore derailiers - they are the best gearing equipment, well they were!

I used to love my mountain bike it was worth £800, but I had to sell it on, I never go on it anymore, but I used to do jumps and stuff it was so fun!
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[rizo9]

the thing with disc brakes is that you get more modulation meaning controllable power and able to stopie. i can stoppie for about 5 metres then run outta speed.
they also work good in wet after the discs have dryed after some rotations.
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[JonB]

[Ste]

You also have controllable power with V-brakes and are able to do rolling stoppies with no problems.

Like with wheelies, when you doing a rolling stoppie you need to get it high enough then balance it there without as much braking input on it.

[JonB]

I find stoppies are better with Magura's or really well tuned V-Brakes, because they are in direct contact with the rim of the wheels therefore more stopping power.
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[SDR]

[JonB]

[Ste]

XTR has been the top of the range for a long time. It has XTR, then XT, then LX, then STX-RC, then STX, then Deore, then the generl stuff.

Any cable brakes need to be tuned/ setup correctly to get the best power out of them, and the best thing about cable brakes is how you can adjust pretty much anything on them with just an allen key .

[JonB]

It costs me £5 a brake to get my magura's bled.
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[Ste]

Learn to do them yourself. Money saved and it means you know the job has been done well .