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Noxious89123
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 25 Aug 2009    Post subject: GPZ1000RX Help and info anyone? Reply with quote

A friend has got a GPZ1000RX 1987 I think.

Of what i can find, the tyres should be 120/80-16 and 150/80-16. ANyone know of some decent rubber in those sizes? It's currently got an Avon on the rear and a Bridgestone on the front, no sure if they're the right size or not. They both have plenty of trear left, but we think they're quite old.

The bike feels a bike unstable at anything other than low speeds. What could be causing the problem?

After a quick Google, I think it may be relate to the anti-dive units? Apparently they can seize, making the suspension rock solid.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: GPZ1000RX Help and info anyone? Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
A friend has got a GPZ1000RX 1987 I think.

Of what i can find, the tyres should be 120/80-16 and 150/80-16. ANyone know of some decent rubber in those sizes? It's currently got an Avon on the rear and a Bridgestone on the front, no sure if they're the right size or not. They both have plenty of trear left, but we think they're quite old.

The bike feels a bike unstable at anything other than low speeds. What could be causing the problem?

After a quick Google, I think it may be relate to the anti-dive units? Apparently they can seize, making the suspension rock solid.


yeah the anti dive system on the quackers was particularly bad,
if it were me and i was going to keep the bike for a long time, i would ditch the whole suspension system front and rear, and swap it out for later model front and rear ends,

failing spending hundreds on it,
block off the antidive system, and replace the rear shock,
she'll be like a new bike after that
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a GPz750R which has the same antidive. to test its working ok, roll the bike back and forth and as you roll it forward apply the brakes. If the forks stiffen up thats a good sign.

At a stand still compress the forks, then try again with the brakes applied. With the brakes applied try again, the forks should be nearly rigid.

The units can be bypassed but it needs a special plate-you cant just blank them off as this ruins the damping circuit in the forks.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temeluchus wrote:
I had a GPz750R which has the same antidive. to test its working ok, roll the bike back and forth and as you roll it forward apply the brakes. If the forks stiffen up thats a good sign.

At a stand still compress the forks, then try again with the brakes applied. With the brakes applied try again, the forks should be nearly rigid.

The units can be bypassed but it needs a special plate-you cant just blank them off as this ruins the damping circuit in the forks.



Im going to have to disagree with you on that, there is no need for a 'special plate' (aka expensive piece of stainless steel with a few holes in) every anti dive system ive disabled has either been through not putting a brake fluid line to it, blocking up the fluid line, or taking of the body of the antidive and blanking that off with a bit of steel. every one of these methods of disabling them has worked fine with no suspension issues at all.

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PostPosted: 17:29 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger roger! Smile

Won't be replacing the suspension on it, as the bike only cost £200.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

virus wrote:
Im going to have to disagree with you on that, there is no need for a 'special plate' (aka expensive piece of stainless steel with a few holes in) every anti dive system ive disabled has either been through not putting a brake fluid line to it, blocking up the fluid line, or taking of the body of the antidive and blanking that off with a bit of steel. every one of these methods of disabling them has worked fine with no suspension issues at all.

Cheers
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The problem being is that by merely blanking it off, it would act as if the anti-dive was permanently in effect, so the suspension would be rock hard, which is what i think is causing the instability now!
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

no no, blank it off wont make it rock solid.
it needs brake pressure to push the piston into the fork,
with out that pressure, the piston isnt pushed into the fork and the forks will act as normal forks do
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Kawasaki Anti dive requires a special plate to replace the units as MOST of the damping oil goes through the unit. If you were to remove the unit and fit a flat plate, effectively you would remove allmost all the oilway through the damper.

The end result will be forks that are almost rigid until the fork seals blew.

You can disable the unit by running a brake line direct to the caliper, but make sure to bung up the hole where the banjo went with another bolt or some sort of plug. But leave the unit in place.

Every other antidive ive seen, ie any of the suzuki ones, dont affect the damping nearly so much-so can be banked off without harm. This is NOT true with the GPz ones.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temeluchus wrote:
The Kawasaki Anti dive requires a special plate to replace the units as MOST of the damping oil goes through the unit. If you were to remove the unit and fit a flat plate, effectively you would remove allmost all the oilway through the damper.

The end result will be forks that are almost rigid until the fork seals blew.

You can disable the unit by running a brake line direct to the caliper, but make sure to bung up the hole where the banjo went with another bolt or some sort of plug. But leave the unit in place.

Every other antidive ive seen, ie any of the suzuki ones, dont affect the damping nearly so much-so can be banked off without harm. This is NOT true with the GPz ones.


See, this is what i was thinking, you've just backed up that up for me Smile

It's what all the other info i can find basically says, but there isn't alot of info about it readily available. It's pretty much.

"Blank it off!"
"Blanking it off is bad m'kay"
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