elec starter woes

lonie · Banned Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Karma :

Ok a week or so back i after work i came to my 50cc moped and found my electric starter wasn't working? so i thought its probably nothing kick-started it and went home with the intention of looking at it the next day a week later still no avail i evan went out and bought a Haynes manual so far ive:

checked the connections
bought a new battery
tried (and failed) to remove the starter motor

when i press the starter button i just hear a click from a little black box next to the battery (relay?) any ideas on what it could be

i checked the price of a new starter motor and its 60 pounds and if i buy one and its not that then i just wasted allot of money

also in the few days leading up to its failure it got harder and harder to start with the elec start it just turned the engine over then stoped and i had to give it a little rev for it to start

any help is greatly appreciated

liam

serlant · Brolly Dolly Joined: 06 Jul 2009 Karma :

Start with charging the battery, then look in the manual for the location of the starter relay and test that.

lonie · Banned Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Karma :

dont think mit could be the battery as i just put a new one in will it still need charging eavan tho its new?
i kniw where the relay is how fo i test that ?

serlant · Brolly Dolly Joined: 06 Jul 2009 Karma :

its a good idea to charge a new battery i'd have thought, as for testing the relay, it should say in the haynes manual how to test it, it might be under started relay or started solenoid.

clancy · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Karma :

if all your are getting is a click from a little black box. then...
the little black box is your CDI. and if thats all that is happening. you starter motor is broken, time for a new one, what moped do you have?

edit- the started motor may have disconnected or some crap. be worth taking starter motor out, putting it back in and seeing if that works. if not. got a friend with a moped or anything? try there motor in your ped, see if it works, if it does.. then buy a new starter motor Thumbs Up

thanks, leigh.

lonie · Banned Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Karma :

Thanks i have a sym cityhopper i have checked all the conections as per the haynes manul i als tryed taking the starter motor off but couldent get it of i just bought the bike and its 9 years old and has ben sat in a garden
For 3 of then years so the underside where the motor is is very rusty
Do i have to remove the startter gear first?
Thanks for all the help so far guys lets see if we can get it working

baldy · World Chat Champion Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Karma :

The black box is the starter relay. There should be 2 thick wires coming from it, one from the battery positive and one to the starter motor, check that these are tight. Try tapping the starter motor with a bit of wood while holding the button and see if anything happens, it may just be stuck.
You can test the motor by joining the two thick wires contacts together with a screw driver. This bypasses the relay and the button. Be carefull though, there will be some sparks and don't do it for long.

Try this first before buying a new starter motor. If it works, your relay may be broken.
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lonie · Banned Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Karma :

its had 1 a very good clean also had some redX through it to try and clean the carby out a bit for some reason i carnt get the stupid starter motor off!i unscrew the two nuts holing it on one of them has the earth on it then try and pull it of to no luck i eavan tryed prying it of with a skrewdriver!

will update with pictures soon

clancy · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Karma :

you said its a bit rusty ?
try tightning the bolts a little, the undoing it. tightning a little should crack the thread and allow it to move.

good luck Thumbs Up

lonie · Banned Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Karma :

k guys i cant work out how to put pictures up...
but i think im going to buy a new motor as the casing for it is VERY rusty and the nuts are so bad using a socket on it almost snaps it so im taking it off and cleaning the mountings and replacing the motor (when i can get it off that is)

and while its off ill put power directly to it and see if its sticking or broken etc...dose a new battery (sealed type i put in the acid etc) need charging before use?cos the whole point of me buying a new battery was so i dident need to buy a charger

thanks forthe help any more sugestions welcome