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gr82bthe1st
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 04 Sep 2009    Post subject: was thinking of.... Reply with quote

doing an advanced riding course. mainly for insurnace purposes, but the extra experience would also help.

IAM or rospa? any other suggestions?

all opinions welcome! what do you guys think?

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Jayy
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 04 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was thinking about this myself the other day, you can get 30 - 40% off your insurance with these can't you?

How much do they cost and how long does it take to complete?
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Ichy
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 04 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The amount that you get off your insurance will not justify the cost of taking the course. The course cost about £140 plus you have to 'donate' the cost of the observers fuel on each ride. Average reduction on insurance, if any, is 10%.

You could probably do just as well doing one of the bikesafe courses, https://www.bikesafe.co.uk/ , generally free, it only takes a few hours and you get roughly the same off your insurance.

The police riders hadbook costs about £12 and you could probably get some useful ideas just from reading it.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 04 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay-recoil wrote:
how long does it take to complete?


Roughly 3 months although its not a guaranteed pass at the end. You have to be assessed by an examiner on a 90 minute ride which can take a bit of time to arrange. If you fail then you have to pay a retest fee, can't remember how much it is, £20-£30?
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map
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 04 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BikeSafe courses (if you can get on one) are ok as a start.
However, the one I attended the police riders couldn't 'instruct' or fit you with radios as the BikeSafe was seen as taking money from private advanced instructors.
Still a useful course and only really 2 days.
The jury's out on if insurance companies actually give any discount for BikeSafe course (there's no pass/fail, just advice).

The IAM course is perhaps the easiest to access.
I think if you sign up you get given a copy of the latest roadcraft book (Police Motorcyclist bible).
As said, just reading roadcraft gives you some useful advice.
Insurance gain can indeed be minimum but the experience is certainly worth it.

The RoSPA course is the hardest to find and to pass.
Once RoSPA trained many people go off and start their own instruction courses so there aren't any RoSPA course instructors to train you!
It is the most intense and you have to retake it every few years (I forget the number) to keep it valid.
The Gold level is the closest of civilian can come to the Police training standard (despite what IAM say!).

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gr82bthe1st
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 04 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for the replies, guys.

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Ichy
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 04 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

I think if you sign up you get given a copy of the latest roadcraft book (Police Motorcyclist bible).


Not that I'm aware of, unless its changed in the last few years. The IAM have their own book which you get when you sign up. It cost £10 if you want to buy one.

I did the Advanced course sometime ago and do think its a very good idea. The reason for my negativity is that this year they put the price up by £55. I struggle to understand how they justify the cost of the course when all the observers are unpaid volunteers. From my rough reckoning its about £15 to join a local group, £28 for IAM membership, £30(?) for the test and £10 for the book. No idea what the other £55 pays for?

Still, if your not a bitter and twisted old git like me then it is a good experience. My wet weather riding improved dramatically.
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map
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 04 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
map wrote:

I think if you sign up you get given a copy of the latest roadcraft book (Police Motorcyclist bible).
Not that I'm aware of, unless its changed in the last few years...

Probably that was it.
I think the local IAM group used to give them out when they handled membership themselves.
However, now appears you buy the Skills for Life and put in your local group.
Cost is £139 and covers cost of the test and first year IAM membership after passing.

However, as you say IAM membership is £30 + local group (mine is £10) + any test fee (their special assessment one is £60, assume standard is less) + book £10. Oh, as well as their book they also give you a copy of the current Highway Code (£2.50) Rolling Eyes

FWIW as with any group you may find the local IAM a little clique and that can put some people off (in-jokes, internal politics, etc.).
However, if just using it to gain the pass rather than expand your social network even that should be fine.

BTW the police riders handbook is £12 from IAM or £10 from amazon.co.uk (cheaper 2nd hand).

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PostPosted: 12:32 - 04 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go down that route just check on where the group is and their prefered routes. I mention this because my local group was 20 odd miles west of me and most of the riding was towards the west of them. It mean't I was clocking up 100 - 140 miles each time I went out and I had 1 1/2 hours riding on top of the training.

I agree with Map, very cliquey and, in the main, not the sort of people I would normally go for a ride with.
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