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PostPosted: 05:30 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Suspended for doing my job????? Reply with quote

Ok, this is my first auntie post and felt the need to get this off my chest as its now 5.55am and i've been up all night thinking about it.

On 19/08/2009 i was called into the operations managers office (I am currently a prison officer in a privately run cat b male jail), in the office was the unit manager, ops manager and a union rep. Whats all this about thinks I??

Turns out that mooserx is now suspended from work indefinately, pending investigation into an accusation of, assault and excessive force used in the spontanious removal of a prisoner.

What this basically means is that, I have to give statements to the prison investigations officer as does the inmate, and my 2 colleagues (who by the way, are not suspended). If after the investigation i am found to be guilty of the said accusations, then i could be facing disciplinary action (which means i will be fired) and criminal charges!

WTF!!!!111!!111

So as it stands i'm looking at sitting around for god knows how long fretting and worrying about a)possibly losing my job, and b) earning myself a nice assault charge for doing my job properly.

NICE!
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PostPosted: 05:36 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deny it.
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PostPosted: 06:24 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

PM Mr James.
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PostPosted: 06:25 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and I wouldn't worry to much.

Left wing government = prisoner rights = prisoners take the piss.

Unless you were jumping on his head I'd be amazed if anything gets done against you, and the guy is just trying to get some leverage.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Hetzer"]Oh dear, another '3 screws vs 1 con 'restraint' scenario. What did he do, complain about you trashing his cell while spinning it?[/quote

Not in the slightest, what occured is thus. Said inmate was intoxicated and had physically attacked a colleague of mine, who then pressed his alarm button on his radio, being one of the first on the scene (as i was a first responder) meant, for the safety of inmate and staff member i had to use physical force to restrain said inmate.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fnatic wrote:
Deny it.


Of course i denied using excessive force, but as is the prison rules the cons seem to have the most leverage.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at this without knowing the people or exact circumstances....
I would think if your Control and Restraint is up to date and you, within the circumstances of the situation, demonstrated following such then there should be no comeback.
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Might be worth having a chat with the union rep as there will no doubt be a history of such accusations. Should be able to give you an insight into the workings and current thinking.

In honesty sounds to me like a Saturday night on the town incident, i.e. drunk person being violent accuses officer of excessive force when restrained. How many of those have you heard about the officer being sacked?
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Suspended for doing my job????? Reply with quote

mooserx wrote:

in the office was the unit manager, ops manager and a union rep. Whats all this about thinks I??


Much as I dislike unions, this is the person you should be speaking to. It's their job to protect your interests.

Also remember that in any further disciplinary meetings you are entitled to have your own witness present and to insist that the meeting is minuted.

I would also suggest you familiarise yourself with the employee handbook on grievance proceedings. If they don't have one, this would cause them severe difficulties down the line if they wanted to proceed with disciplinary action.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mooserx wrote:

Said inmate was intoxicated


Hetzer wrote:
the con will have nothing but his word


Surly this makes his statement void as he wont be able to provide an accurate run of events?
is the incident on CCTV?

Hope it all goes ok! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 06:01 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mooserx wrote:
Not in the slightest, what occured is thus.


I would be very careful what you post on a internet forum, especially if it relates to anything like this.

You could end up in even deeper water if this should get back to your employer.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
mooserx wrote:
Not in the slightest, what occured is thus.


I would be very careful what you post on a internet forum, especially if it relates to anything like this.

You could end up in even deeper water if this should get back to your employer.


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PostPosted: 17:38 - 27 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing to worry about and no threat to your job, enjoy your paid holiday Thumbs Up

You CANNOT be called into a disciplinary hearing without being given notice, and you MUST be given the chance to bring an independant witness. Obviously this is usually the Union Rep, however they invited him there, not you. They are breaching their own disciplinary procedures, so either they have already decided there is no case to answer so are going through the motions, or they have fucked up and the case will collapse at appeal.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 30 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

LMFAO at a prisoner getting intoxicated.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 30 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

2nd'ed @ inmate being intoxicated.

sounds like they're following procedure, nothing more, and if no-one backs up what the inmate claims, you'll be ok. the truth should prevail. did the inmate have any injuries?
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 30 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Suspended for doing my job????? Reply with quote

mooserx wrote:
Suspended for doing my job?????


so your job is bashing people is it?
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 30 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you people not seen Oz?

Prison = no rules. You bash him in good? Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 01 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilson123 wrote:


How did a prisoner get intoxicated?


Never heard of prison hooch before?

Besides from that, a lot of prisoners can get whatever the fack they want in prison, from bottles of courvouissier (sp?) to coke and steroids.

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PostPosted: 10:59 - 09 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not Dovegate by any chance is it?
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 09 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: Suspended for doing my job????? Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
mooserx wrote:
Suspended for doing my job?????


so your job is bashing people is it?


Murderers and rapists deserve anything better do they?
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 09 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

dunno.

your mum?
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 21 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mooserx,

Just one question, are you a member of your union?

I'm pretty sure HM prisons are covered by PCS. If you are a member then get in touch with them as soon as you can and they will fight this for you!!

They will give you free advice, legal counsel, and represent you in court.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 24 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Oh dear, another '3 screws vs 1 con 'restraint' scenario. What did he do, complain about you trashing his cell while spinning it?


Oh dear, another "I'm innocent and should have never gone to jail, all I did was something illegal" scenario...

When you go back to work, smack a few more of the fuckers and ask them why they are in there and not outside paying taxes and contributing to society.
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PostPosted: 05:40 - 25 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you did it, which I'm led to believe that you did,


Yes i did it not ashamed to admit that i used force but it wasn't excessive and at the end of the day i was protecting a colleague and friend from a drunken imbecile, would you or anyone else not do the same up town on a saturday night?

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so your job is bashing people is it?


No, my job is to ensure safety and security of the establishment and inmates. I didn't wade in on the inmate, stomp a mudhole and walk it dry, he was restrained in accordance with control and restraint procedures.
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