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tykey
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 03 Oct 2009    Post subject: Scamming Bastards! Reply with quote

Just found out this morning my debit card has been hit for £650 in a restaurant in spain! Must have been a fucking good meal! Bastards!

Bet it was fucking nigerians!
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 03 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:50 - 03 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:49 - 03 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cunts.

I had someone call me up at nearly midnight the other day.

Rang (on my mobile) on withheld, then hung up before I could pick it up.

Then rang again with the number showing, which was LONG. Naturally I wonder if its from NZ, at that time of night, and as my dad is very ill over there, so I pick the call up.

When I answered, a guy (I didnt notice his accent at first) said "Is that Jennifer?", so I was like, "Yes."

Then he proceeded to TELL ME he was from Nigeria, at which point I said, "I don't want anything , thanks." and hung up.

Cue one very VERY sleepless night.

Next morning soon as I could I phoned my mobile provider
(fortunately the phone had been barred at almost exactly at the same time because I had not paid my bill on time, LOL) ... but they reassured me that such scammers could not pick up the use of my phone from such a call.

Just to make sure, and as they are fairly certain to have had my surname as well as my first name, I phoned both my banks, warned the fraud departments, and also rang the Tax Dept and warned them to flag my national insurance number.

Fucking Nigerians.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 03 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just had this sent to me.


From the desk of.MARK JAMES
Director Foreign Affairs
Deutsche Bank AG (London Branch)
(BSC: NYSE Arca)

Tel/fax: 447006002413

Dear Beneficiary

Re: instruction to credit your account with the sum of us$10,000,000.00

This is to notify you that your over due inheritance funds has been gazetted to be released, via key telex transfer (KTT)-direct wire transfer to you by the senate committee for foreign over due fund transfer. Mean while, a man came to my office three days ago with a letter, claiming to be your true representative.Here are his information's:

Name Kelvin Godwin
Bank name: Bank of America, New-York.
Account number: 6503809428.

Please, do re-confirm to this office, as a matter of urgency if this man is from you so that the federal government will not beheld responsible for paying into the wrong account.
The reserve bank governor, executive, board of directors and the senate committee for foreign over due Inheritance fund have approved and accredited this reputable bank with the office of the director, international remittance/ Director Foreign Affairs , to handle and transfer of all foreign inheritance funds this second quarter payment of the year 2009.

However, we shall proceed to issue all payments details to the said Mr. Kelvin Godwin, if we do not hear from you within the next seven working days from today this fund will be transferred to the account of Kelvin Godwin.
Meanwhile, you are advice to get back to us immediately to this office with the below details :

1. Your full name:
2. Your telephone/fax numbers:
3. Your full home address:
4. Your nominated bank name/address.
5. Your account/routing number:

Best regards,

MARK JAMES
Director Foreign Affairs
Deutsche Bank AG
Direct Line:+447024091678
[email protected]


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PostPosted: 01:01 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

To them scams, I did have an idea to send them details of ebayers who crossed me as my revenge once......


Only just a hypothetical idea.... Of course i'd never do such a thing in real life. Wink
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of years ago my Dad got a call from Visa asking if he'd just spent 3K in a massage parlour in Thailand.

Some one had a ball (no pun intended) on his card.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stelmer wrote:
To them scams, I did have an idea to send them details of ebayers who crossed me as my revenge once......


Only just a hypothetical idea.... Of course i'd never do such a thing in real life. Wink


Thats a stunning idea, and I have just the man for the job Smile
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buuurp .... sorry for the late reply .... just been on a huge bender in Spain.
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

silky666 wrote:
Buuurp .... sorry for the late reply .... just been on a huge bender in Spain.


What was the huge benders name?
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_fisty wrote:
silky666 wrote:
Buuurp .... sorry for the late reply .... just been on a huge bender in Spain.


What was the huge benders name?


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PostPosted: 14:47 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

jokes aside (and i agree it is funny Mr. Green ), they're still bastards whoever did it!

Got a previous months statement y'day and the only thing i can see worthy of note is that i went to a petrol station i never usually go to. It's only about 10 miles away but with so many others closer i never go to it. Went there about a week ago. I noticed nothing odd about the place, it's a big well known one. My card deffo never left my sight but apparently crims can hack existing swipe machines so that they can get your details with the one required swipe. I've also used it online with amazon recently. I have NEVER used it anywhere I thought looked dodgy, not online or in person.

I had been planning to buy another bike this month, thats out the window now! Bank says it will be "November" before i get the money back. It's really fucked up some plans. Could've been worse... I bet some people would be fucked paying the mortgage or something... atleast I can live.

What a waste though, £650 in a restaurant. Could've bought a telly to sell or something.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt very much that any food was actually purchased - it will most likely have been a business that was in on the scam, and paid £300 for the £650 bill to whoever actually stole the card details.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
I've just had this sent to me.


From the desk of.MARK JAMES
Director Foreign Affairs
Deutsche Bank AG (London Branch)
(BSC: NYSE Arca)

Tel/fax: 447006002413

Dear Beneficiary

Re: instruction to credit your account with the sum of us$10,000,000.00


A measly 10 million?
The tightwad.

You ought to write back and say that someone else offered you 57 million, and that its in the process of being moved through your bank right now.

That ought to garner a response from them.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a linked account, where my cash lives in another place, so what sits on my card is what I put there...also, we have a scheme in place where I notify my bank when I'm out of the country and which countries I will be passing through, so if there are ever any discrepancies, they will instantly be suspicious.

A couple of of times when I've gone overdrawn, they will ring me up or email me, and I will recify it immediately and they don't charge me!!! Now that's good banking service if you ask me. Cool
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 04 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tykey wrote:
Bank says it will be "November" before i get the money back. .


Can i ask which bank that is ?????


To 1930 Ariel
That is a great story...
Now can you explain how anyone got his PIN, if he never used the card, other than it being written down.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 05 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tykey wrote:
Got a previous months statement y'day and the only thing i can see worthy of note is that i went to a petrol station i never usually go to. It's only about 10 miles away but with so many others closer i never go to it. Went there about a week ago. I noticed nothing odd about the place, it's a big well known one. My card deffo never left my sight but apparently crims can hack existing swipe machines so that they can get your details with the one required swipe. I've also used it online with amazon recently. I have NEVER used it anywhere I thought looked dodgy, not online or in person.

That's why I no longer go to the Shell petrol station in Grindon, Sunderland. Only went there once when I borrowed my dad's car after I crashed the bike to get £10 of diesel, as I'd used the car to go up to Westgate Road, Newcastle to price up parts for repair. Low and behold a couple of weeks later some f*cker spent £62 on an Autotrader ad. Now I know £62 isn't a lot but it's my money and it would have almost paid for a night on the lash.

Thieving c*nts. Incidentally I no longer get spam offering me money, I just get the ones for viagra. Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 05 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
tykey wrote:
Bank says it will be "November" before i get the money back. .


Can i ask which bank that is ?????


To 1930 Ariel
That is a great story...
Now can you explain how anyone got his PIN, if he never used the card, other than it being written down.


The PIN is on the card, in the chip memory, if the thieves are able to decrypt it. It's in an area that, allegedly, can't be accessed but I am a firm believer that anything can be accessed.

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PostPosted: 14:28 - 05 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they were able to do that, then you would be seeing thousands of these cases....

What people need to remember is that their PIN is like leaving a open wallet on a table.
If they know it, then they have access to YOUR money. Just the same as if you left you wallet behind full of cash.

If you lost your wallet full of cash, would you expect the bank to give it back to you....
So its the same with your PIN.

Its upto you to prove that it was not available, and if he had not used it for 13 days, then other than it being the same as the other credit card, but there is no mention of that. Then it has to have been written down in some form.
It could have been his DOB or a tele no...
Sadly these people know what to look for, but so do the bank and if they got the PIN without any failed tries. Then it can only have been easily available.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 05 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

See thats where the banks are too suspicious of people and will get mardy about only one pin entry, but all the card machines that get the skimmers and cameras put on the front that look like the real machines will only take one try for the pin as theres a camera recording them...
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 06 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
If they were able to do that, then you would be seeing thousands of these cases....

What people need to remember is that their PIN is like leaving a open wallet on a table.
If they know it, then they have access to YOUR money. Just the same as if you left you wallet behind full of cash.

If you lost your wallet full of cash, would you expect the bank to give it back to you....
So its the same with your PIN.

Its upto you to prove that it was not available, and if he had not used it for 13 days, then other than it being the same as the other credit card, but there is no mention of that. Then it has to have been written down in some form.
It could have been his DOB or a tele no...
Sadly these people know what to look for, but so do the bank and if they got the PIN without any failed tries. Then it can only have been easily available.


Clicky

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And one of my favourite articles ever on British Banks...

Clicky.

Chip and pin was never meant to be secure it was meant to shift the onus onto the card holder.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 06 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Its upto you to prove that it was not available, and if he had not used it for 13 days, then other than it being the same as the other credit card, but there is no mention of that. Then it has to have been written down in some form.


Incorrect. As the article above discusses the banks need a mandate to remove money from your account. If you do not authorise the removal of money then the bank MUST refund.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 06 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clicky.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 06 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work for a company that manufactures bank cards and I can assure you that banks are looking to improve their security all the time. Chip and PIN is not foolproof by any means, although it is nigh on impossible to skim cards now.

DDA (Dynamic Data Authentification) is the next big step and will prevent cloned cards being used in ATMs, all banks must have this on Visa cards before 2011. Mastercard have no mandate at the moment.

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PostPosted: 15:44 - 06 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some interesting figures and statements.

But try..

Linky


Quote:
APACS said online banking fraud rose 132 per cent last year to a total of £52.5million.


Mmm, online. Nothing to do with chip and pin.....

What is more interesting rather than trying to say chip and pin is good or bad.
Is the way the fraudsters are working round it.


The fact is none of the links show how other than the guy having it written down in some way. How the PIN was obtained.
That is the crux of the matter in his case.
As i said before. You have to think of your PIN & card as being your wallet on a table with you not around.

Quote:
If you do not authorise the removal of money then the bank MUST refund.


But by allowing someone else access to your PIN you have given your authority....

Do you really want to pay for all the people who are careless and let all and sundry have access to their card and pin and then want the bank to pay it back......

If that is the case then at the end it will be other people who bank there that foot the bill.
ie YOU & ME......

Quote:
Chip and pin was never meant to be secure it was meant to shift the onus onto the card holder.


And where is the problem with that.

As many people are fond of saying.....
Its my money.......

So next time you enter your PIN and someone is looking over your shoulder. Cover it up.....
If you were paying cash. You would not turn round and offer them your wallet would you......
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