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steveh
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 09 Oct 2009    Post subject: Old 12bore Shotgun parts still available? Reply with quote

Basicly clearing out my late grandfathers shed, ive put together some parts, to make a 12guage side by side, (non firing obviosly)

Im currently looking for parts
Trigger mech
Breaker lever.
maybe even a Blank stock, not so sure if i can make do with these.

Now the markings on this thing isnt clear, all i can make out on the barrel is..

"J.W.B Lantern priory Gun works Birmingham"

if anyone can help, point me in the right direction of some one who can help that would be great.


cheers, Steve.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 09 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could run into some pretty sticky legal problems here.

Mostly to do with at what stage does a collection of parts become a working shotgun. The absence of proof marks showing it's deactivated could leave you in a sticky wicket.

From what you describe as needing, I'd say there is a fair chance it's fireable anyway on the assumption it's a hammer gun (ie, barrels, breech and hammers. Flick that hammer, gun goes bang.)

If I removed the firing pin from a rifle bolt, it is technically non-firing but you can bet your life a judge would take a very dim view of me having it without either a firearms certificate or a proof house mark.
The British Deactivated Gun Collectors Association
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A deactivated firearm is a firearm that has been rendered inoperable in such a way that it cannot be readily converted into a working firearm.

To be considered deactivated, a firearm must meet
two important tests:
1) It must not be capable of discharging a bullet, shot, missile or other projectile, so that it therefore does not fall within the definition of a “firearm” in the Firearms Act 1968.
2) It must not be capable of being readily restored to working order, so that it does not fall within the definition of a “firearm” in the Firearms Act 1982. The Act specifies that “readily restorable” means with the use of ordinary household tools.

In addition, Section 8 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 provides for the making of regulations by the Secretary of State that define the specifications for deactivating firearms. A firearm deactivated in such a way can be submitted to a Proof House, who will inspect it for compliance, and mark the firearm with a deactivation proof mark and issue a deactivation certificate stating that the work has been done according to the specification.

However, a deactivated firearm does not necessarily have to be deactivated to this standard to be legal – the proofing procedure merely provides an affirmative defence to prosecution for possession of a firearm. There are many pre-1988 deactivated firearms and also imports that have not been submitted to Proof Houses for inspection.

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PostPosted: 10:50 - 10 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

We still have a gunmakers quarter in Brum but it is much smaller than previously. A firm such as William Powellshould be able to advise. Guns are not cheap and tend to be hand made to suit the costomer and it is not unusual to pay £10K for a pair.
A walnut stock blank will cost you £500 before you even think about having it shaped blank.
If you thought Japanese bikes were expensive keep away from English sporting guns.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 10 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask Hetz if he has any knocking about, randomly buried around his garden. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 10 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

None firing in the sence.... Wink wink, none firing, i will be seeing what i can do with it then obtaining a shotgun licence for my local range.

Also forgot to add, it does have a few stamp marks on it, not really sure what they are, ill try get some pictures.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 10 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveh wrote:
None firing in the sence.... Wink wink, none firing, i will be seeing what i can do with it then obtaining a shotgun licence for my local range.

Also forgot to add, it does have a few stamp marks on it, not really sure what they are, ill try get some pictures.


They will be proof marks from the Birmingham Proof House.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 10 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
A walnut stock blank will cost you £500 before you even think about having it shaped


Did you just pull that number out of your arse? I can buy walnut stock blanks all day for about $30 each...
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 10 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveh wrote:
None firing in the sence.... Wink wink, none firing, i will be seeing what i can do with it then obtaining a shotgun licence for my local range.

Also forgot to add, it does have a few stamp marks on it, not really sure what they are, ill try get some pictures.

You do know you can buy a complete, fully working shotgun for less than £50?

I've seen old side by side hammer ones going for as little as £25 in the exchange and mart.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 10 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
steveh wrote:
None firing in the sence.... Wink wink, none firing, i will be seeing what i can do with it then obtaining a shotgun licence for my local range.

Also forgot to add, it does have a few stamp marks on it, not really sure what they are, ill try get some pictures.

You do know you can buy a complete, fully working shotgun for less than £50?

I've seen old side by side hammer ones going for as little as £25 in the exchange and mart.



To be totally honest with you, its more for sentimental value, my grandfather always had shotguns over the years, first fired one with him, so this is the last one he owned so id like to get it built up etc.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 10 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good source for a cheap stock though.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 10 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
1930 Ariel wrote:
A walnut stock blank will cost you £500 before you even think about having it shaped


Did you just pull that number out of your arse? I can buy walnut stock blanks all day for about $30 each...


No I did not, if you had clicked on the link it would have taken you to this click good quality walnut with a decent grain will cost you. Your stuff sounds about fit for a BBQ.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 11 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went past the Proof House today and took some pictures.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
No I did not, if you had clicked on the link it would have taken you to this click good quality walnut with a decent grain will cost you. Your stuff sounds about fit for a BBQ.

Those people are fucking delusional. Rolling Eyes
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