CBT a thing of the past???

[lostboy]

A guy at work and fellow rider has told me that the CBT could be a thing of the past, according to my friend the P.I.P.'s (Pricks In Power) may have decided that the best way to make potential bikers safer is to get rid of the CBT and introduce learners to the roads with driving lessons and a test, I personally haven't seen anything about this but feel getting rid of the CBT is a bad idea and was wondering if anyone else had heard anything about this.
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[Mystery]

wouldn't that just mean that they would be making the roads a safer place by adding more safety by taking the test, it would most likely be on the same basics of the CBT mostly likely but a bit harder maybe.
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[lostboy]

my argument against abolishing the CBT is that on a CBT you have as many years as you like on a low powered vehicle and although the CBT has to be re-taken every 2 years in those two years the experience you gain is invaluable, also gives you time to decide whether a bike is the vehicle for you, as alot of people have ditched in the 1st few months and then been put off biking for life and although the CBT is £80- £100 I would rather spend that and have the time to consider whether riding 2 wheels is for me than spending £100's and finding after a few months I'd wasted my money and if they do decide to do this, it may put alot of people off riding as the cost may be more prohibitive or the prices may make people wanting transport lean more towards driving a car as in the long run it will probably prove more practical.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

This has been talked about recently, possibly slated to come in about 2013 (from memory). No definate plans yet though.

All the best

Keith
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[ClaireBear]

Thats interesting.

I personally found that when I did my CBT a couple of months ago, I was suprised at the minimal standard needed for the certificate to be issued.

I only did my CBT, test training and then took my test- didnt have any other road experience but I got loads out of the extra training.

But the positive thing of the CBT is the bike size restriction

[Kickstart]

Hi

CBT is very basic training. Somewhere below the cycling proficiency test. Not really aimed to be training you for your test, just making sure you are not too lethal to carry on learning.

All the best

Keith
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[ClaireBear]

I think though it might be a good idea to have the driving lessons type idea for some.
I understand that it is very basic training, but I found it concerning that the two who I was with had bikes waiting at home for them and so I wouldnt want to go near them when they are out and about lol. After all there is only a certain amount that you can be taught during a CBT. But practice makes perfect

[Kickstart]

Hi

Trouble is that it would probably kill off much of the young rider market, and without younger riders almost certainly far less older people would remember about bikes and then learn. Good chance of reducing the number of riders greatly over a decade or 2.

One down side of the CBT is that some people do it and think they have been taught plenty having "passed", and don't bother to learn anything else.

CBT has been around for less than 20 years. Before that you could just get your licence and jump straight on a learner bike (and many of us did).

Not sure what the solution is to get people to have more idea of riding without pricing a bike licence out of existance for many.

All the best

Keith
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[pa_broon74]

Not sure where some of you sat your CBT...

When I did mine (did it twice due to passage of time and laziness) on both occassions with the same school I found it to be the most useful part of the learning process, I'd go as far to say it should be introduced for driving in order to give the learning process a decent start. In a car, the usual rules for learning would still apply though.

Anyway, that I managed to pass the full test and have had several safe years riding (touch wood) on the strength of a CBT and a 2 hour lesson seems to me to be to it's credit.

I do agree though, some of the people I took the CBT with were exceptionally cack-handed, although they were asked to return the following day though. (On the first one, one young chap was all over the place but got his certificate right enough.)

Could be an issue with uniformity, that isn't the right word, I mean quality control, ummm, consistency!


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[lostboy]

I think the CBT should be more standardised, but isn't the point of the CBT that it assesses you for safety awareness on the road and I'm sure everyone knows someone who has a CBT and thought how did they pass, I do know one or two older riders who have CBT's and although some of you have stated that you went from a CBT and took their tests straight away I feel the CBT's original point was that it would give a first time rider time to gain a little experience and build up confidence, when I took my CBT I had never ridden a bike before and found it very helpful and the time between taking the CBT and doing my test was invaluable experience and confidence I don't think I would have gotten from a few lessons a week.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Think CBT was brought in to try and cut down on the numbers who jumped straight on a bike and taught themselves how to ride, plenty of whom killed themselves. Difficult to know how well it worked at this as although deaths dropped the number of riders was dropping as well

The CBT is meant to be to a pretty universal standard, although from comments it seems that isn't always what happens.

Personally I do think a lot of experience as a learner is a good idea, compared to a desperate cramming session on a short course. Give the knowledge a chance to settle in then be corrected if forgotten, rather than just rely on it being fresh. Also allows plenty of time for the mechanics of riding to become 2nd nature rather than something you have to think about. In this way a few lessons a week is probably better than a short course, although probably not as good as gaining extra experience as a learner as well. However not sure how many miles as a learner is reasonable (think I did something like 25000).

All the best

Keith
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Found this:-

https://www.mcia.co.uk/downloads_temp/f5293690-a145-412c-9d68-c9f54b387802_Imported_File.PDF

On page 9 there is a listing of imports by year that goes back to the mid 1980s. CBT came in at the end of 1990 for 1991.

In 1990 there were 21200 mopeds and 107600 motorcycles imported. In 1991 with CBT introduced this declined to 9800 / 77500 respectively and for 1992 down to 6400 / 60900.

How much CBT had to do with that drop in imports (and presumeably registrations) I am not sure, but that is one hell of a drop.

All the best

Keith
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