BNP on Question Time

[UrbanRacer]

Anyone else looking forward to this?
I was hoping Question Time would have had a decent panel on but tbh they look a bit tame.
Shame they didn't have someone like George Galloway on to argue with him.

[Ste]

Lets see how many Guardian readers die of shock when Nick Griffin says something really offensive and racist.

[WishayKillie]

[Dom]

I'm still not sure how good an idea it is to have him on. It should make for interesting telly though. QT is always about the soundbites and when Griffin spouts some hateful bollocks what is really needed is the chance for someone to have the time to discredit it fully, but I can't see that happening. Also if the other panellists spend the whole show jumping down his throat then he'll be able to play the victim card to good effect.

Ideally he'll make a complete fool of himself of his own accord, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

The panel does look pretty useless. It's a shame they haven't gone with someone like David Mitchell/Ian Hislop.
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[GhostRider]

All I know is that one Radio 2 lots of people are crying about it saying he shouldn't be allowed on, i.e there is discrimination against him and his party.

Which I find rather ironic since the other day they were being made to change their policies to allow black people and such into their party since their guidelines were determined to be discriminatory.

This is as far as I go with politics though, the rest can be worked out by:

Backhander X deceitfullnes x popularity amongst backhandees x cuntishness.

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[JAMSXR]

This made me chuckle last night!

https://video.aol.ca/video-detail/bnp-nick-griffin-vs-nothing-british-tory-toff-on-channel-4-news-oct-2009/2771930359/?icid=VIDURVNWS04
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[Harold_Shand]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8321157.stm

Protesters storm bbc. Doesn't look much, to be honest. I think more photographers got through than protesters.

As much I find christianity abhorent in it's protection of peadophile priests and peddling bullshit to keep themselves in power and money, I'm not bothered that the twats are on telly every Sunday.

Lefties are funny... fight facism by blocking freedom of speech.
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Harold_Shand's theory might be the best explanation.

[Dom]

I was surprised so many people bothered. Still, if there's one way to guarantee a disproportionate amount of coverage for something it's to ensure it happens within metres of the place containing more journos and photographers than anywhere else in the country.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/everyone-hoping-griffin-says-something-about-jews-200910222159/
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[Skudd]

You should give the BNP as much air time as you can and they will trip themselves up, they will be shown for what people think they are.
It does make me laugh that all these pro rights people want to silence the BNP, just like the fascists did to minorities.
I also note that the BBC has rolled out all it's ethnic reporters to read the news etc. Noticed too that all the violence and trouble has come from the peace protesters.
The likes of Nick Griffin should be shown for what they are, but let them hang themselves by thier own words and not by being silenced by the bullies.
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[imanupstart]

Seems a bit hypocritical and self righteous what all these protesters are doing, freedom of speech, equality etc is all fine as long as they agree with what's being said, the second someone with opposing views goes to express there opinions and there's hell to pay Made me chuckle to see clips on the news of black security guards chucking protesters out of the bbc building, immature I know but it made me laugh all the same.

[Vin]

This is the first time since giving up tv that I wish I could get to see one. Hopefully Iplayer will have it later.
Anyway to join the debate. I hate what the BNP stand for. However the main stream parties need to look within themselves and ask. Why are the BNP getting elected on to councils and into Europe? I think part of the answer is that a lot of decent people, especially young people, see the self indulgent crap going on in westminster and simply feel they have no one to vote for. Until mainstream politics engages the majority there will be gaps for the well organised minorities to exploit. Does that make sense?
Think France. They ended up with Chirac because the only alternative was Le Pen. Mainly due to initial voter apathy.
Oh and I do think he should be allowed on the show and to win my respect the protests should be non obstructive. We are supposed to be a democracy after all.
So get out there and vote.

[rhone81]

[JonB]

I am against everything the BNP stand for, however they should be allowed a say in a supposedly democratic society.

I think I might even hate extreme lefties more than the BNP.

However when I see statistics from the ONS saying that by 2034 the population could be at 70.1 million and that over 2/3's of the growth will be attributed to immigration, I find it hard not to feel myself boil up inside.

We have no more room in this country. I wish some other party, other than the BNP would realise this!
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[Dr. DaveJPS]

i think jack straw just lost under Godwins law.

EDIT: Hmm the audience seems to have been carefully picked by the BBC,

and Jack straw just pulled a fast one as to holocaust denial.
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[The Artist]

I think it is ridiculous. I am by no means a BNP supporter but they are not giving him a chance to speak at all.

Admittedly most of the time he does speak it is shit but when he says something remotely sensible the panel ignore it.

90% of the audience are ethnic minorities and have come in with their minds already set with hatred. If you are watching it, the Muslim guy that asked Nick why he said Islam was a wicked faith, that guy was just staring with pure hatred in his eyes.

Even if he is wrong, he should at least be given a chance to speak otherwise our whole political system will only get worse.

[rhone81]

Jack Straw: "There has been a net reduction in the increase of immigration."

So immigration is rising but at a slower rate. Why not come out and say it. I think immigration is quite a good thing particularly those young migrants who wish to work as the average age of the UK population is rising.

Honestly, Jack Straw having about three attempts at answering a straightforward question is one the reasons the fuckheads in the BNP keep getting votes.

QT panel is very poor, full of second rate high school debaters. Some members of the audience are making far more salient points.

Oh!... Jack Straw just got slapped-down by a black woman for the way he refers to black people.

[AngelGrinder]

This is very annoying.

I do not agree with the BNP, but they should be allowed to exist, as we are a DEMOCRACY!!

All these on the show saying 'I don't belive anything Nick is saying' 'I belive voters of the BNP should be educated about the BNP properly'

Can I be educated about all the other parties aswell then, as they are telling me the same amount off bull lies, and more worringly, they are likely to actually get into power.

I did like Nicks comment to Jack Straw early on about how his Dad was fighting in the RAF during WW2, while Jack Straws dad was in prison for refusing to fight
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[Carl_steveo]

I choose to ignore all this political bollocks in the hope that one day, in the near future, it'll just fuck off. I don't understand politics but from what i see its all corrupt and a wee bit dodgy. Nick griffin annoys me though. He's a smarmy, fuck wit smiling, racist prick. But he does deserve the right to speak, otherwise it would be just as discriminative as his fucking party. Ignore him because what's he going to do other than cause controversy. I don't expect to wake up one day and find the BNP throwing all the none whites out of the country so therefore no need to worry about this tiny, fat man.
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[Phoenix]

I watched it on iplayer as I felt compelled to after seeing all the anti-fascist hypocrits on the news earlier this afternoon.

I don't understand why people are so afraid of the BNP, politicians in particular and blacks/asians and all the PC white brigade. As has been said by everyone, the BNP can hang themselves with their own words, they don't need to be banned from voicing themselves nor do the current political parties need to rant about how the population should educated as to what the BNP really are. They're showing they really are slightly scared by the BNP because they are getting votes.

Nick Griffin is a bit of a pratt and if he did ever get into power he honestly would have absolutely no idea what he's doing, be like putting a toddler in the cockpit of a Boeing 747 and leaving him to it, it's never going to happen though which is why the main parties won't adjust their immigration policies all they're really worried about is losing to eachother.

He has points though, one particularly is that white British peoiple are not allowed to speak up for themselves or even so much as identify themselves as to do so is racist, xenophobic, backwards and so on, you can only voice any concerns if you first make it racially friendly and make sure all the blacks and asians will agree with you which effectively prevents you getting your point across.

Labour and Tories will not address the issues that the BNP are quite happy to talk frankly and honestly about and until they do no amount of character assasination or public humiliation attempts will really get rid of the BNP or their votes. It's funny that they keep comparing them to the Nazis, but one of the Nazi's first actions was to abolish or to force changes upon opposing political parties, isn't that what is being done to the BNP...

[bazza]

I thought the one who came over as the biggest cunt was Straw. As for the rest, "there's no such thing as a bogus asylum seeker" - well done Tories.

If the Beeb had any balls they would have turned Ian Hislop and Tony Benn on Griffin. As it was, it turned into a no score draw all round.
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[CaNsA]

Ill post what i posted on another forum regarding this.

I havent read the whole thread but thought i would add my own couple of pence.

I dont agree with what the BNP stands for, but i will defend to the death their right to say it.

The muppets who are protesting outside BBC buildings are idiots, they protest against the very thing they hold so dearly. Freedom of speech and equality.
If anyone here doesnt understand that then you are just as stupid as the protesters.

This is a democracy, and for that to happen everybody has a right to air their views.

[Didge]

When this show was first announced, the BBC said that it was going to be no different than any other QT.
That is, asking/replying to questions concerning events over the previous week.
Seeing as Griffin appearing on the show was part of the last weeks news, one could reasonably expect a few questions concerning him and the BNP.

Instead, what we got was the one issue subject matter that most of us were expecting.
A deliberately bias audience, a panel consisting of 2 wimmin with ethnic backgrounds, and Griffin not allowed to answer most questions fully, or without interruption.

This was not QT as we've always known it. It was a stitch up from start to finish, and the BBC has once again proved itself lacking of any of the unbiased neutrality that it constantly has boasted over the last few weeks.

Honestly, was anyone surprised?
I certainly wasn't, and as a result, a programme that could have been very interesting, was one big fucking yawn fest.

Thanks BBC.

[Dr. DaveJPS]