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Darth
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: 3 bikes - which would you choose? Reply with quote

Looking for a new bike and seem to have whittled it down to 3 main contenders -

SV1000s (half fairing)
GSXR750
ZX6R 636

My budget will probably stretch to '03/04 bikes, only onsidering low mileage examples with basic, if any, mods like cans/screens/indicators.

All three bikes seem to get overall good reviews and while i appreciate each will have their own band of devoted followers i would appreciate some input from the most opinionated forum i know Mr. Green

Bike will be used daily (throughout the winter) for a 25 mile round trip commute, fun on the weekends and possibly a few longer trips away next year.

If you really wouldnt have any of them/would have something else instead - feel free to suggest alternatives and reasons.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSXR750 ! i just love the look of them Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ill have the twin please Thumbs Up Cool
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd pick the gsxr 750 any day.

But if you are going to be doing a lot of long trips you might want to look at the sv1000 instead.

Have you had a look at the Triumph Sprint ST? They are really comfortable and it's the same engine as the Speed Triple.

I think Bendy on here bought one of those a while back. Maybe she can tell you how it is for everday use and longer trips Smile

I'm currently trying to decide between 3 bikes myself also. My list is Speed Triple, Sprint ST or GSX-R 750 hehe
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mach206 wrote:
GSXR750 ! i just love the look of them Very Happy


They do look good, the other two are hardly mingers though Smile

T1z3R wrote:
ill have the twin please Thumbs Up Cool


Have never ridden a twin before so am keen to tick it off my list!

TwoSock wrote:

Have you had a look at the Triumph Sprint ST? They are really comfortable and it's the same engine as the Speed Triple.


Sure its a great bike but doesn't really get me excited. If i am gonna be spending decent money (for me anyway!) then i need to be able to look at it and think Cool
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are getting on 04 model I would have the GSXR, if anything older I would go for the 636.

Might want to have a look at the RSV as well, great bikes!
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The zx6r A1P with the 636 engine and J type fairing are good sport commuters. The later models have quite solid rear shocks so might not be great for comfort.

The sv1000 would be nice and grunty around town and good on the motor way. Although half fairings mean you'd get cold legs.

The GSXR would be the best of both worlds. Enough grunt low down, full fairing, sporty when you want it to be.

I'm also looking at new bikes, and the GSXR 750 is on the short list.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends what you want it for:
Bike to thrash at 95% (of my own abilities) around which encourages me to go that bit faster: 636

Bike that's easy to go very fast, but still offers a feeling of involvement: GSXR750

Bike to go to the shop, which encourages me to not use it's power and ride slowly (this can be quite a good thing with all the speed traps around): SV1000
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Depends what you want it for:

Bike to go to the shop, which encourages me to not use it's power and ride slowly (this can be quite a good thing with all the speed traps around): SV1000


Can you elaborate on that comment? Why would it encourage you not to use its power?
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

R32 wrote:
G wrote:
Depends what you want it for:

Bike to go to the shop, which encourages me to not use it's power and ride slowly (this can be quite a good thing with all the speed traps around): SV1000


Can you elaborate on that comment? Why would it encourage you not to use its power?


It should read G - The voice of reason (Not when the subject is twins)
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAMSXR wrote:

It should read G - The voice of reason (Not when the subject is twins)

I'm far from the only one that thinks that, so you can keep drinking the kool aid and praising the almighty twin Wink.

I and many others find that the often quite linear feeling of the power delivery of a twin doesn't really 'excite'. While a higher revving four cylinder bike makes noticeable improvements in go the higher up the rev range you go, the big twin doesn't really feel like it 'rewards' for turning the throttle.
The reality is that to make the best progress you do need to be keeping it on the boil at the top of the rev-range, but because the engine doesn't 'feel' like it does, it doesn't encourage you to do so.
Further, the handling of the sports bikes, given the right conditions, feels really good at speed, transmitting just enough information to tell you what's going on, while giving you the confidence it can handle more.
In contrast the SV is soft and wallowy, as the pace increases the bike starts to show up it's failings, discouraging you from trying harder.

It should be noted that I don't find litre four cylinder bikes that fun to ride on the road either - too wide a range of power to make it noticeable. The two most fun bikes I have ridden/owned I would consider to be the Aprilia RS250 and KTM200EXC. The Aprilia is quite ridable on the road, with enough revvyness to keep it fun, while the KTM has a rather aggressive kick which can bite back when tired off road - haven't tried it on, but hope to have the SM wheels on it at some point.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxr 750 by far the best
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of those the only one I've ridden is the 636, so I'd have to say that, although I would say a second generation Mille (00-03) is well within the same budget, and a great bike. Many people do commute on them, so they can and do handle it.

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PostPosted: 16:02 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

SV1000 Smile
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well G it obviously takes allot to keep you happy/exited! To be quite honest I have no preference to ether and I'm 90% sure that my next bike will be another IL4.

I would also add that although my RSV does not quite have the top end of a 600 it's not far off!
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had considered the RSV but i somehow have it in my head that it would be lot higher maintenance than the other 3?

Seems like a lot of love for the GSXR so far. The only thing holding me back from that choice is i think they have a bit of an image problem. Again could be all in my head though Confused
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

R32 wrote:
I had considered the RSV but i somehow have it in my head that it would be lot higher maintenance than the other 3?


Not really, but if the bike is going to be used every day come rain or shine I would be leaning towards a Jap IL4. But don't let that put you off, mine has not missed a beat and I will be said to see her go!
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX6R because the other two are suzukis.

The Kawasaki stands the best chance of making it through the winter without turning into a pile of corroded metal attached to three seized brake callipers.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:


I and many others find that the often quite linear feeling of the power delivery of a twin doesn't really 'excite'. .


^^^thats personal preference so fair enough BUT ......

G wrote:
the big twin doesn't really feel like it 'rewards' for turning the throttle.


^^^thats total bollocks Wink
If you twist the throttle on a big (modern) sports twin you need to hold on for dear life...Laughing
Doesn`t reward? i beg to differ.
The reward`s are instant on a modern twin.....its the il4s that fail to deliver as soon as you want them to.


G wrote:
The reality is that to make the best progress you do need to be keeping it on the boil at the top of the rev-range, but because the engine doesn't 'feel' like it does,


oh my god....you must be joking Shocked .
The whole point of having a twin is because you DONT need to keep it high in the rev range.The bulk of the torque`s in the low-mid range.
If you try to ride a big twin in the upper rev ranges all the time you`ll be moving at about 130mph wherever you go. Laughing
I rarely get above 6k on mine and i aint exactly a slow rider either.


One of these days we`ll have to meet up so i can give you a crack on a MODERN big twin. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX636 because i have one Mr. Green
Use mine for commuting 30 miles a day and to thrash any time in between Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

T1z3R wrote:
ill have the twin please Thumbs Up Cool

Im with him!
Ive ridden a 125 v twin, a 650 v twin and only today have i sat and ridden the sv thou..
I LOVE the v twins.. sure inline 4 is real revvy, top end oomph, but i cant see me using that.
Im a relatively safe rider, and like my mid range, so if you are wanting a decent mid range 3k-8k useable power, go for a twin, if you wanna be hard and shoot down motorways at 140+ grab an inline 4 Smile

Personally im saying twin, love them to bits, real grunty and noisy...useable town power and great on open roads.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, that while I moan about twins generally, it's got a lot more to do with capacity and intended purpose of the bike.
'Shopper' bikes like the SVs are designed to be pretty flat, just like hornets, Fazers and various other four cylinder bikes.
While 'sports' twins can give the impression they're flat, it's still noticable. If you want the best range of power, then go for a 1000cc-1300cc inline four.
If you want the best midrange compared to top end, then some twins might have it, but I believe stuff like the FZ1 is also pretty good for this.
What four cylinder bikes have you ridden pad?
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have ridden the 636 and own a gsxr 750. They are both good bikes to ride in my opinion.
As I own a GSXR and it has been a good bike for me, I would probably go for that if I had the choice.
I am probably not the best person to offer advise as I have very little experience on a bike. I rode a CB50 about 10 years ago and only got the GSXR this year so am very inexperienced, I have ridden a couple of friend bikes recently and in comparison I really like how the GSXR feels to ride, this may just be because its what I'm used to though.
I have commuted to work on my bike and it has been fine for that, very reliable-never yet let me down.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

636 for me, the other 2 are zuki's and I dont likes em.. But my old fat 636 is a diamond Very Happy

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PostPosted: 22:15 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Missed this:
max power wrote:

^^^thats total bollocks Wink
*stuff*

I think you're missing the point here - the more linear nature of a twin along with the sound (which I suspect plays a bigger part than most would normally think) means that it doesn't give me the feedback that using peak power is making you go relatively faster, though of course it is.
While a screaming smaller capacity inline four you feel more of a sense of 'accomplishment' for keeping it on the boil.

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The whole point of having a twin is because you DONT need to keep it high in the rev range.

You'll note I said 'best progress', which means being at the point where peak power is made, not peak torque (which is useful if you're towing a trailer up a hill, I admit Wink ). Yes, you'll be going fast, but that's why it's 'best progress' not 'pootling' Wink.
I don't find riding any litre bike, twin or four that fun as far as country roads go in comparison to smaller capacities because even using the midrange (even more so on the four cylinder bikes that often have more midrange and more flexible gearing) you don't get a sense of 'using' the bike unless you're going silly speeds.

I haven't ridden any of the really recent twins, but I've seen no evidence to suggest they've progressed any more of differently than the modern four cylinder bikes.
However I'll happily take you up on the offer if you can hack me still not liking it after I get off Wink.
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