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PostPosted: 01:52 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Not my finest moment in motorcycling =\ Reply with quote

Hi all, just had my first proper incident with the CG.

Went out about midnight to get COD6, noticed it was cold and foggy, so took it easy expecting the road to be slippery, made it through Bury, to very nearly where I needed to stop. If you google map Bury Halfords its the 'S' bend in the road that runns parallel to Halfords carpark. I had slowed to 15mph for the first left hander, as I turned in, the bike went out from under me, I can only assume I gave it too front brake and locked it up or gave too much throttle on the slippery road which caused the tyre to lose traction and slip.

This was a result of my own incompetance, not the tyre, or ice or diesel or some other bullshit excuse that people might use. I have only myself to blame, and have learned that even though I THOUGHT I was being careful, this obviously wasn't the case. On the upside the bike isn't too bad (smashed headlight glass, and both indicators on the left hand side) all I had to do was twist the front indi back to the right place, re-align my headlight and re-adjust my mirrors. I'm not going to throw in the towel with riding a bike, this sort of thing happens, and I can't let it beat me. Peace out and stay safe people SmileThumbs Up
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PostPosted: 03:34 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's not cod6, it's modern warfare 2. and it doesnt have dedicated servers.
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PostPosted: 04:04 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not? I thought it was, nvm, my bad mate Smile and I have no idea what a dedicated server means, i assume it means xbl games will be slow as crap.

a few pics of the bike, not really that bad, but still fairly pissed off at my lack of ability to keep it upright Sad

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PostPosted: 07:09 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least you were not hurt and bike is not too damaged. Chain could do with some lube on it though Very Happy
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best thing to do is ride as if the road was icy when conditions are damp/greasy. Lean and use the front brake to the barest minimum. It doesn't help at this time of year that bloody lorries spill diesel all over the place onto already dodgy road surfaces.

M&P are doing Kalgard chain lube buy one get one free at the moment Wink
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rufus wrote:
it's not cod6, it's modern warfare 2.


Neutral I've heard people fanboys whine about that before. Until COD6 DOES come out, it really doesn't matter.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judging by the state of that CG i think it being dropped is for the best! 2 words... Chain Lube.

Oh and never brake on a corner unless absolutely necessary, very much doubt throttle would cause the front to slide out as it wasn't that slippy (i've ridden in today and i can't see more than 20feet infront of me and i'm still leaning it over nicely)
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you wern't braking while the bike was actually leant over in the middle of a corner. That's something that just can't be done.

Anyway, doesn't look too bad. The last time I had to repair my CG cosmetically I had to replace the seat and handle bars as well as the indicators and side panels. Definitely need to take care of your chain.

Also, did you ever manage that country wide trip you were planning? You just kind of abandoned your thread.

Take care! The roads are definitely more slippery Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atleast you didnt hurt yourself which is the main thing Thumbs Up
But get some lube on that chain!
I bought my copy of COD MW 2 this morning too Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

chain is lubed, just the abysmal quality of the photo doesn't show it lol its got rock oil stuff on it, only put it on last thursday before going out aswell Smile

as to braking in the corner, im not sure whether i was on the brakes or not, it sounds like an excuse, but it happened so fast i can't exactly remember, one second i was upright, then next i wasn't. but hey, i've learned to be even more careful, and there's not too much damage to the bike, i've paid a smaller price than some, so i count myself lucky.

on the sunject of my thread, i made to doncaster, but started to panic a bit as to leaving the bike overnight as i slept, and other stuff, so turned around and came home over the next day, was feeling crappy and useless for ages afte Sad
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilson123 wrote:

Are you assuming that because your incompetence caused the off that people slipping on diesel is a myth? Thinking


It's definitely not a myth, but it is the most overused excuse ever IMO!
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope you wern't braking while the bike was actually leant over in the middle of a corner. That's something that just can't be done.


Really? Confused
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really? Confused


Better let Rossi know! Mr. Green

With rubbish tyres and grimey roads it is best to keep it to a minimum though.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Alexio wrote:
I hope you wern't braking while the bike was actually leant over in the middle of a corner. That's something that just can't be done.


Really? Confused


Depending on how far the bike was lent over of course. If you're at a steep angle I was under the impression that it was a really bad idea although I await to be corrected!
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nkd666 wrote:
Wilson123 wrote:

Are you assuming that because your incompetence caused the off that people slipping on diesel is a myth? Thinking


It's definitely not a myth, but it is the most overused excuse ever IMO!


I agree. It's only happened to me once in something like 750,000 miles of riding over the course of nearly 25 years. The road was wet. There was a construction site right by the road. There was wet mud/sloppy mush on the road from the massive tyres of diggers, plus a huge long slick of diesel. I was going downhill, towards a roundabout. I was only doing about 20-25. I knew at once as the traffic slowed that I wouldn't be able to stop as both wheels locked when I touched the brakes (SLS drums with very little power to boot). I had the straight choice of hitting the back of the car in front, definitely bending the forks, probably the front wheel and very likely the frame too. Or deliberately putting the bike into a slide. So I chose the latter and the friction of me with the bike on me slowed me to stop. Slightly bent footrest on one side and minor scrapeage to an already scraped pipe were the only damage to the bike. I was filthy and had a hole in my jeans. I picked the bike up (it didn't stall) and just carried on Razz

Coming off on diesel is something that is almost always avoidable. People ride too fast, or brake too hard for the conditions, or don't pay enough care and attention to what's in front of them. Genuine accidents do happen where there is nothing you can do...but most trips down the road are indeed due to rider incompetence or inexperience. The secret is to learn from your mistakes, preferably on something small and easy to fix. The kind of accident the OP had underlines why you should work your way up slowly after passing your test. Jumping on something huge, with demon brakes and massive acceleration will very often lead to catastrophe.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
The kind of accident the OP had underlines why you should work your way up slowly after passing your test. Jumping on something huge, with demon brakes and massive acceleration will very often lead to catastrophe.


Since it happened on a cg I think it highlights more the fact that shit can happen whatever your riding.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizzzard wrote:
27cows wrote:
The kind of accident the OP had underlines why you should work your way up slowly after passing your test. Jumping on something huge, with demon brakes and massive acceleration will very often lead to catastrophe.


Since it happened on a cg I think it highlights more the fact that shit can happen whatever your riding.


Indeed. But as the OP admitted it was him at fault, imagine the kind of carnage the might result if he was on something much bigger and faster, with much more powerful brakes.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, so many extra kittens would have died.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

He also said he had slowed to 15 miles an hour for the corner which I'm guessing he would have done on any bike in which case the carnage would have been pretty much the same on any bike. Bigger bikes don't always equal bigger accidents. I've come so much closer on the little 100 to totally loosing it than I have on any of the big bikes I've owned.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:


Indeed. But as the OP admitted it was him at fault, imagine the kind of carnage the might result if he was on something much bigger and faster, with much more powerful brakes.



That is also likely to have much better tyres.

I wouldnt really advise an inexperienced rider to be braking in a corner especially on a CG with quite possibly budget tyres.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trick is, when the weather is like this is SMOOTH riding, speed plays apart but riding smoothly is probably the most important thing, IMO. If you're riding smooth remember you aren't going to be diving down on the brakes if some obstacle becomes apparent, so naturally you need to slow down and increase your observations.

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PostPosted: 13:19 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean the accident would have been worse on a bigger bike, I meant that he would have been likely to have other, more serious get offs riding something bigger and faster.

I'm all in favour of the kind of tests they have in Japan, which effectively keeps the halfwits on slower, less dangerous bikes.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitty kat wrote:
could do with some lube on it though Very Happy


Typical woman - doesn't even notice the damaged bike, only the lack of adequate lubrication Wink
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
I hope you wern't braking while the bike was actually leant over in the middle of a corner. That's something that just can't be done.


Depends very much on the bike and the ability of the rider to use the brake delicately and feel for grip.

If you're riding cautiously then ideally you would do all your braking prior to a corner and appropriately apply power through it to keep the bike stable, especially in dodgy conditions. But there are occasions when you want to brake mid corner whilst banked over. When you do that bike will either want to slide out, or sit upright and widen its line. But the extent to which a bike reacts to mid corner breaking varies significantly IME. The SP-1 does not get upset and holds its line through corners with even quite heavy braking. And I'm sure that's true for all well designed modern sports bikes. Of course aggressively grabbing a handful of brake is always a danger when banked over, especially in slippery conditions, but even that danger can be mitigated by the latest ABS technologies.

So yes, it's partly rider error, but riding a little 125 with narrow, cheap(?) tyres and insensitive brakes doesn't help. I had a similar experience years ago on an XR125, and I know it wouldn't have happened with a more modern, better handling bike with larger, more grippy tyres and brakes that give more feedback.
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