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PostPosted: 13:59 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

So why is it that everyone wants to kill me whenever I ride in the rain or wind? I leave a bigger gap to the car in front- some oxygen thief cuts in. I go round a wet manhole cover (lifesaver etc) and someone walks halfway out into the road. And to top it off, when I'm pulling out of a space, some bus whistles past at 50 with a spray of diesel out of the side all over the front of my bike.

I'm giving up, the bike's only coming out in the dry now.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you live in the SouthEast your chances of regular dry days are limited.
The weather has little effect on the drivers ability to kill.
Get over it. Pop some waterproofs on and ride...You supposed to be a stuntman FFS Wink

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PostPosted: 14:33 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If everyone gave up so easily, we'd all be driving bloody tin boxes Shocked This is the mildest autumn I can ever remember too - it's been mostly pleasant enough to enjoy riding right through October and November (bar the odd day of wind and rain).
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've just got in, and i'm a dround rat the only bit dry is my hair under the helmet Laughing ...
Can';t wait to dry the gear off and have another go Shocked .

fuckin weather
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta admit that for the 1st time this year i'll be using the cage to pickup my daughter.
Minging it down, like a minger from mingsville. Thumbs Down


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PostPosted: 17:16 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just be extra extra careful mate, slow slow slow in the wet on slippy bends and mini r/bouts, slow impacts are not as sore, make sure you can be seen, use your horn as a warning for anything, who gives a fuck if they think "whys he beeping" you wont see them again and atleast they know your there, be curtious to drivers when you filter or sneak in in front of them, remind yourself of the importance of getting to fuck off the road out of the way of traffic should you have a spill and if your feeling too stressed or feel something aint right then leave the bike at home, good luck mate
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
So why is it that everyone wants to kill me whenever I ride in the rain or wind? I leave a bigger gap to the car in front- some oxygen thief cuts in. I go round a wet manhole cover (lifesaver etc) and someone walks halfway out into the road. And to top it off, when I'm pulling out of a space, some bus whistles past at 50 with a spray of diesel out of the side all over the front of my bike.

I'm giving up, the bike's only coming out in the dry now.


Stop leaving a bigger gap, it's not needed and considered an invite.
Drive over manhole covers, you only come off if you are going around a bend.
Run pedestrians over.
Look for buses, if you open your eye's you will notice they are quite large.
Get a life.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Stop leaving a bigger gap, it's not needed and considered an invite.
Nope, it's common sense. Braking distance etc.
sickpup wrote:
Drive over manhole covers, you only come off if you are going around a bend.
Ok, interesting point, I'll try that.
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Run pedestrians over.
o.....k.....
sickpup wrote:
Look for buses, if you open your eye's you will notice they are quite large.
Well fuck me, that's where I've been going wrong is it?
sickpup wrote:
Get a life.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
sickpup wrote:
Stop leaving a bigger gap, it's not needed and considered an invite.
Nope, it's common sense. Braking distance etc.


If it was common sense you would realise that everyone's braking distance had increased. Therefore there was no reason to increase the space between you and the vehicle in front as they would also be taking longer to brake.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
So why is it that everyone wants to kill me whenever I ride in the rain or wind? .


What? Are you kidding? Why are you complaining? Surely this is right up your street, the kind of thing you'd relish, grab with both hands, go running out to experience....?







..well, what else is one to think when you call yourself the Unknown Stuntman.... Cool
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Pup.
If a car slams on the brakes in the wet it will have a longer stopping distance as will the bike, however...
As brakes and tyres on a car work far better than on a bike due to the weight of a car and the simple fact that it has so much more rubber in contact with the road the bike will have far less efficient braking in the wet. Keep a bit of distance.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, after already riding about 1000 miles recently in those worst of all impossible conditions I have to say that I love it - I love the danger and thrill of flying through small gaps, the longer stopping distances, the slippery corners, the reduced visibility and the stamina it takes to endure those uncomfortable journeys.

Could just be me though. I'd hate to come off as sounding pretentious after saying what I just said. I guess I just enjoy being hardcore Razz
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
Mr Pup.
If a car slams on the brakes in the wet it will have a longer stopping distance as will the bike, however...
As brakes and tyres on a car work far better than on a bike due to the weight of a car and the simple fact that it has so much more rubber in contact with the road the bike will have far less efficient braking in the wet. Keep a bit of distance.


I whole heartedly agree sir BUT when you throw in the 2 second rule this should still give ample time and distance to stop before going into the back of a car. Leaving a bigger distance is simply inviting someone to take it as the OP has found out.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
Could just be me though. I'd hate to come off as sounding pretentious after saying what I just said. I guess I just enjoy being hardcore Razz


Riding smaller bikes is key here... if you asked everyone (who didn't do DAS and jump straight onto a 600cc plus bike), to tell the stories of what they did on their 125cc bikes, then you'd realise you had a lot more in common with them than first assumed. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 21 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuckers jumping into the (safe but not excessive) gap is one of my (numerous, you will be astonished to learn) bugbears. It's just so pointless. The morons who do it aren't going to get where they're going any quicker. It's like the dickheads (usually cabbies) who find it impossible to stop at a junction and encroach into the path of oncoming traffic - everyone slows and it takes them longer than it otherwise would to get from A to B.

We've had a really easy time of it thus far this year. Got a feeling the temperatures are going to nosedive during the coming week.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh... it ain't so bad, I was filtering between lanes 2 and 3 on the M5 in the rain on Friday night.

I knew there would be last minute lane changers as we approached the M4/M5 interchange so when someone pulled across in front of me at junction 17 I'd already anticipated it. I also knew there was space on my left because I'd just passed a vehicle, and a quick shoulder check showed lane 1 to be clear so, in with the clutch, roll-off the throttle, a little rear brake, and a controlled manoeuvre around the vehicle that had pulled out. Off the brake, clutch out, back on the throttle and overtake in lane 1.

All safe all under control, no need for horn or hand gestures.

Remember if you think they might, then they probably will. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds as though someone is looking for a pretext for being a yellow belly.

"oh, they're all out to kill me!"

Bullshit. There's no such thing as bad weather (only ice, really)- it's bad riding that's at fault.

Truth be told, 9/10 bikers are as incompetent as drivers.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

[quote="UnknownStuntman"]
sickpup wrote:
Stop leaving a bigger gap, it's not needed and considered an invite.
Nope, it's common sense. Braking distance etc.


I agree with the stuntman and will continue to leave a bigger gap no matter what anyone says.If someone decides to cut in i`ll just hang back again and increase the gap just like before.

Quite frankly i think sickpups` advice on this topic is among the worst i`ve ever heard as "tips" for riding in the wet.
Shocking.....truly shocking. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

*cries*
Oh thanks for reminding me, guys.

Holidays in the sun are so shit.
How quickly one forgets how scummy real life really is.

I went out to start my bike, make sure it works, and it starts so that means I have to ride it into work tomorrow, and now I'm all wet, only went out there for two minutes.

Although the alternative is catching the bus/tube
... to which I say "Bah!"
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

max power wrote:
Quite frankly i think sickpups` advice on this topic is among the worst i`ve ever heard as "tips" for riding in the wet.
Shocking.....truly shocking. Thumbs Down


I find this funny as I'm the person paid to drive in the rain.

The 2 second rule gives you a 1 metre gap for every 1mph you are driving at. To be blunt if I couldn't stop in 30 metres at 30mph even in heavy rain I would hand my license back. At 80mph you would have 80 metres space but it would take 120metres to stop according to the DSA braking distance thing so to actually hit the car in front it would need to stop in 40metres, not gonna happen.

No matter how bad the weather an average driver should be stopping quicker than DSA braking distances say they should unless they are driving a very old car or below average.

Please now explain why my advice is 'shocking'?
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

max power wrote:
sickpup wrote:
Stop leaving a bigger gap, it's not needed and considered an invite.
Nope, it's common sense. Braking distance etc.


I agree with the stuntman and will continue to leave a bigger gap no matter what anyone says.If someone decides to cut in i`ll just hang back again and increase the gap just like before.

Quite frankly i think sickpups` advice on this topic is among the worst i`ve ever heard as "tips" for riding in the wet.
Shocking.....truly shocking. Thumbs Down


See the list of injuries sustained by that poster on another thread Wink I don't care if people think I'm over cautious, I'm not riding on the arse of cars (or anything else), particularly in the wet.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
See the list of injuries sustained by that poster on another thread Wink I don't care if people think I'm over cautious, I'm not riding on the arse of cars (or anything else), particularly in the wet.


For someone who claims to be an ex-courier you really are a total fucktard. None of those injuries were sustained in the wet, no one has ever made a claim against me and most of those injuries I was moving at less than 10mph when the cars hit me. On the other hand I have made way over £100,000 in injury compensation in the last 10 years, have a clean license and maximum no claims bonus. I also have the balls to ride bikes over 125cc which you seem to be lacking.

I would also point out that at 30mph a 30 metre gap is hardly riding in anyone arse.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

No really. Who gives a shit about whether anybody has the balls to ride anything.

Disappointed in you for that sort of snide remark, sickpup.

I would be riding a 125 myself if something happened to the bike I have, it would be likely a 125 is all I could afford. Who are you to judge.

Happen I agree with several people in this thread, but I would still ride like an old biddy in weather like we've had recently. But that's more to do with my previous experiences, most of which involve me coming off in wet conditions (hence showing mostly that I'm probably a crap rider in the rain OR out of it, for that matter).

Nonetheless, I would probably take my bike to work if it was all but ice and snow out there. I'd sure MOAN about it a lot, but I'm more likely to take the bike and get damp, than be squished up in the tube.

Nobody's insisting that you ride in the rain for a living, by the way. The martyr's badge does not suit you, and probably gets in the way of the talking brooch.

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PostPosted: 15:25 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Riding in bad weather Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
max power wrote:
Quite frankly i think sickpups` advice on this topic is among the worst i`ve ever heard as "tips" for riding in the wet.
Shocking.....truly shocking. Thumbs Down


I find this funny as I'm the person paid to drive in the rain.

The 2 second rule gives you a 1 metre gap for every 1mph you are driving at. To be blunt if I couldn't stop in 30 metres at 30mph even in heavy rain I would hand my license back. At 80mph you would have 80 metres space but it would take 120metres to stop according to the DSA braking distance thing so to actually hit the car in front it would need to stop in 40metres, not gonna happen.

No matter how bad the weather an average driver should be stopping quicker than DSA braking distances say they should unless they are driving a very old car or below average.

Please now explain why my advice is 'shocking'?


If you want to do it,and have done it,for many years as a courier i`m not about to question you or tell you to change.Your life your call.
However youre missing out on so many other important points:


Your reaction time before you actually consider dsa "reccomendations" and stopping distances.
Bad visibility/steamed up visor/blurring/wet weather distractions such as looking for oil on roads etc could all affect the above.

Strength or weakness of the bikes braking system and/or reduced initial effectiveness of the brakes whilst wet.

Reduced amount of pressure applied to "said" brakes during heavy braking because of the wet surface and chance of falling off,..and the possibilty of skidding/sliding/locking front end if too much is applied.
In the event you need to slam on...you`re not going to do it as quickly or as forcefully as you would on hot dry tarmac on a clear day.

i could go on...but doubt i need to.

Repositioning yourself after someone cuts into your big gap is far easier,and safer,then placing all your faith in the very basic guidelines written in the dsa booklet.Their reccomendations are just basic minimum guidelines...not points you should trust implicitly.
I know of plenty of occasions where extra distance has saved my neck (in the wet AND dry).If id`ve followed the "minimum safe distance" set by the dsa...i woudnt have been so lucky.

Thats why i think your advice on this is shocking.If someone with less road miles and experience followed it.....chances are they`d be fucked when faced with an emergency stop on a wet surface.


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PostPosted: 15:29 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
Disappointed in you for that sort of snide remark, sickpup.

I would be riding a 125 myself if something happened to the bike I have, it would be likely a 125 is all I could afford. Who are you to judge.

Nobody's insisting that you ride in the rain for a living, by the way. The martyr's badge does not suit you, and probably gets in the way of the talking brooch.

*pokes out tongue*


Hmm. No martyrs badge I do it for money.

As to the balls comment this is partially in reply to fucktards comments 'I don't have any problem with any bikes, large or small. But the dickheads are almost exclusively those on large plastic reptiles.' so I'm not actually judging his bike I'm judging his shitty attitude to people on big bikes. Anyway who are you to judge?

And lets of course not forget that he is the bloke who said this little gem about women on bikes...

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Women in general are novices. The percentage of the population who ride bikes is tiny...and the percentage of bikers who are women is also very small. Thus the average woman you speak to will have no knowledge of bikes, beyond the fact that they are smelly, noisy and dangerous, by and large.

If you have a small bike, or something a little bigger but sensible, like a GS500, they will start thinking in terms of being able to ride themselves. 99.99% of girls will have no desire to ride some plastic bolide like a Blackbird...but might well fancy the idea of throwing a leg over something friendly like YBR125.


I'm afraid to say I'm truly disappointed in you Hellkat. You have jumped to conclusions over my motives and not bothered to research before posting. Crying or Very sad
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