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PostPosted: 19:31 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: swapping plates Reply with quote

say you had 2 bikes of the same make and model. ones in not bad condition, the other is a shitter. but, you take the plate from the shitter and put it on the other bike.

whats the consequences if you tugged and rumbled Question
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Provided you own both the bikes, i should think its ok. Remember the frame + engine nos. would need swapping too.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martay wrote:
Provided you own both the bikes, i should think its ok. Remember the frame + engine nos. would need swapping too.

yes and in an accident the police would probably feel the same way too Rolling Eyes

i think it was Killa? ( correct? ) that had this happen to him, and he lost his licence iirc?
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

my mate ( i use that term loosely) is a bit of a thick cunt and has merely swapped plates so the frame and engine no's wont match.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i once rode my VFR400 with my R6 plate on it.
nothing happened.
i imagine if i was pulled over i'd be pretty fucked though.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have often wondered that.
Say you buy 2 new unregistered bikes, get the frame number and engine number from 1st one and stamp them on other 1..so say you drop one you can just get back on the road without buying 2nd insurance...I know its illegal...but its possible and most of the time if you dont ride like a tit and obviously have 2 diff colours, you may get away with it..

Still, illegal i believe.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The idea crossed my mind a few days ago when thinking about buying another blue 2MA.

I know a guy who owns a few air cooled RDs. He's insured on one 250 and just swaps the plates around. If he wants to ride his 400, he puts the 250 side panels on it as well as the plate Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I suppose if they wanted to be really nasty you could be done for riding without insurance (after all, the bike you are riding with the altered chassis numbers, etc, isn't actually the bike you insured). Suspect they could find a few more things to do you for though.

The main reason for altering a chassis number is to sell on a stolen bike. Hence any bike with the chassis number altered will attract attention and be difficult to sell.

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PostPosted: 20:08 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not know an old bloke with six bikes on the same plate. Honest.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was Mac_Kaliba who swapped a plate and got done over by the police.

As for swapping engine /frame numbers? Its a stupid and illegal idea. There is even an offence I believe such as "Modifying the identity of a vehicle so as to commit fraud" or something along those lines.

On a car its called 'ringing' and its the kind of thing that gets you 6 months + in prison.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

but he's not touched the engine/frame numbers only swapped the plates. Thinking
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

its not really a major with the engine, as these get swapped out all the time,
but bike conversion carries some pretty hefty penalties,
its also something they check on a mot,

i doubt the police would know if you were just riding about, but if you crashed they would pick it up
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robert mack wrote:
but he's not touched the engine/frame numbers only swapped the plates. Thinking


Just count as false plates. Suspect there is quite a few things illegal with that (possibly including attempting to pervert the course of justice).

How likely he is to be caught is another question.

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PostPosted: 20:33 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

he will be riding illegal but will be fine till he gets pulled then will get shafted for everything they can pin on him
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once had two 250 Superdreams (I must have been Hitler in a past life) and used them with the plates round the wrong way for three months. This was a genuine mistake on my part, I was insured for ride both, and I never got pulled.

These days I would probably get done - the old bill seem to spend 95% of their time checking up on vehicles and seizing on any opportunity to make the woeful stats look a bit better. So don't play into their hands by doing anything silly.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

blindweezy wrote:
he will be riding illegal but will be fine till he gets pulled then will get shafted for everything they can pin on him


Maybe a poll should be started about how many police officers have checked frame numbers when they have been pulled. I doubt the number would be that high.

Problems will arise when he crashes.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
blindweezy wrote:
he will be riding illegal but will be fine till he gets pulled then will get shafted for everything they can pin on him


Maybe a poll should be started about how many police officers have checked frame numbers when they have been pulled. I doubt the number would be that high.

Problems will arise when he crashes.


i got pulled and they checked my engine number dunno if its cause i was on Ls or what but maybe he was being a prick who knows
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:

Maybe a poll should be started about how many police officers have checked frame numbers when they have been pulled. I doubt the number would be that high.

Problems will arise when he crashes.


When I got pulled for riding with no lid they checked the frame and engine numbers. They told me it was routine 'these days'.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the engine number didn't match couldn't you just say the last one broke and you put another engine in it.
Over time if things kept breaking and you kept replacing them with bits from another bike (one you bought for spares for instance), I don't see what the differance is? At what point do can they possibly say you cant replace any further parts or it doesn't count as the same bike anymore?
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris750 wrote:
At what point do can they possibly say you cant replace any further parts or it doesn't count as the same bike anymore?


When the frame changes.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris750 wrote:
If the engine number didn't match couldn't you just say the last one broke and you put another engine in it.
Over time if things kept breaking and you kept replacing them with bits from another bike (one you bought for spares for instance), I don't see what the differance is? At what point do can they possibly say you cant replace any further parts or it doesn't count as the same bike anymore?


well say you put a 600 engine into a 125 frame and were driving on L on a full power 600cc engine theres nothing wrong with that?

and if you change the engine on a bike then you need to mail the dvla to note them
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 25 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried that trick & got £250 in fines & 6 points for no insurance for my troubles when I got stopped for a spot check

this was back in the days befor all the details of mots & insurance were kept on computer & they used to pull lots of bikes over just to check them out
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 25 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's say you bought two Fireblades that were identical and you ground out the frame and engine numbers from both.

Then you insure and tax one bike, leaving the other Sorn'd.

I presume you could move the numberplate between the bikes safe in the knowledge that nobody could prove that the bike you were using wasn't the taxed and insured one...

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(Ignoring of course any fines for removing numbers...)
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 25 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Let's say you bought two Fireblades that were identical and you ground out the frame and engine numbers from both.

Then you insure and tax one bike, leaving the other Sorn'd.

I presume you could move the numberplate between the bikes safe in the knowledge that nobody could prove that the bike you were using wasn't the taxed and insured one...

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(Ignoring of course any fines for removing numbers...)


chances they would impound it because it could be a stolen bike but other wise i'm not sure what the penalty would be for no numbers on the bike
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