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PostPosted: 18:27 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: What is the appeal of modern sports bikes? Reply with quote

I'm obviously missing some kind of gene that makes the average motorcyclist either ride what can loosely be termed a 'sports bike' or else to lust after one and hope to eventually get their sweaty mitts on one.

So many of these bikes look (to me) pretty similar. The obligatory acres of plastic, (usually aftermarket) can pointing skywards, huge and very expensive tyres, upside downers, physical size of a 250 of a few years ago, usually sub 3 sec 0-60 and a top whack of at least 150. Virtually everyone who rides one seems to conform to a standard uniform appearance - coloured leathers, those boots (you know, the ones without steel toe caps Laughing ), lid costing more than I've paid for most of the bikes I've owned and a seeming inability to ride at anything like a sensible pace Wink

I like naked bikes. Preferably air cooled. 'Interesting' handling. Something that, if you teleported a rider from the 50s to the modern day, they'd immediately recognise as being a motorcycle, rather than some mad space age vehicle (like a 1098R or Hayabusa). I don't like wearing leathers. I have a fondness for old tanks like the ETZ251, CZ250, Jawa 638 and GT500, for tiddlers like the RXS100, Fizzy, Puch Grand Prix and Simson S50, and for rapid off roaders, particularly old PE Suzukis and newish 2T Huskies. Normally when I buy a four stroke, particularly a large one, it's because of the low price and because I know I can sell it on for a modest profit...and I also like to experience a range of different bikes (I've owned around 200 since 1983).

Am I a freak? Am I beyond help? Is there any chance of me discovering the appeal of sports bikes and maybe even buying one? What exactly attracts people to things like the ZX12R, R1 and GSXR1000? What exactly is the point of going at warp factor speeds effortlessly? Surely the point of biking is to - if not ride on the edge - at least feel the edge isn't too far away Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer smaller engined bikes but I guess the appeal of busas and such like is just the exhilaration of that kind of power. For me, the appeal of motorcycles is mostly going round corners fast and sportsbikes are the best at doing that Wink They have the best suspension, the best brakes, the best chassis and the best engines so their appeal is that they are...good. If what you want is practicality, economy, comfort or some particular image then there are other choices but if you just like the performance then they're an obvious choice.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: What is the appeal of modern sports bikes? Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
and a seeming inability to ride at anything like a sensible pace Wink


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What exactly is the point of going at warp factor speeds effortlessly? Surely the point of biking is to - if not ride on the edge - at least feel the edge isn't too far away Laughing


It's not always about comedy top speeds and motorway runs, that either gets old or costs you your license, one way or another Wink For me the highlight of the Honda was the feeling of getting good drive out of the corners. As fun as the little GS is, it just catch match that feeling of blasting a big bike out of a bend.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows, have you owned a sports bike?
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: What is the appeal of modern sports bikes? Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
I'm obviously missing some kind of gene that makes the average motorcyclist either ride what can loosely be termed a 'sports bike' or else to lust after one and hope to eventually get their sweaty mitts on one.

So many of these bikes look (to me) pretty similar. The obligatory acres of plastic, (usually aftermarket) can pointing skywards, huge and very expensive tyres, upside downers, physical size of a 250 of a few years ago, usually sub 3 sec 0-60 and a top whack of at least 150. Virtually everyone who rides one seems to conform to a standard uniform appearance - coloured leathers, those boots (you know, the ones without steel toe caps Laughing ), lid costing more than I've paid for most of the bikes I've owned and a seeming inability to ride at anything like a sensible pace Wink

I like naked bikes. Preferably air cooled. 'Interesting' handling. Something that, if you teleported a rider from the 50s to the modern day, they'd immediately recognise as being a motorcycle, rather than some mad space age vehicle (like a 1098R or Hayabusa). I don't like wearing leathers. I have a fondness for old tanks like the ETZ251, CZ250, Jawa 638 and GT500, for tiddlers like the RXS100, Fizzy, Puch Grand Prix and Simson S50, and for rapid off roaders, particularly old PE Suzukis and newish 2T Huskies. Normally when I buy a four stroke, particularly a large one, it's because of the low price and because I know I can sell it on for a modest profit...and I also like to experience a range of different bikes (I've owned around 200 since 1983).

Am I a freak? Am I beyond help? Is there any chance of me discovering the appeal of sports bikes and maybe even buying one? What exactly attracts people to things like the ZX12R, R1 and GSXR1000? What exactly is the point of going at warp factor speeds effortlessly? Surely the point of biking is to - if not ride on the edge - at least feel the edge isn't too far away Laughing
So you like old haggered non plastic bikes; not everyone shares your taste. If you're really that interested in finding out this info go search for the 10bazillion threads on it that have been endured through the ages.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harold_Shand wrote:
27cows, have you owned a sports bike?


Well, depends what you call a sports bike Wink I've owned an early GSXR1100, an RGV250, an LC500 and a KR1S. They were all considered sports bikes when they were new. Then again, so was stuff like the H1, LC/YPVS350, ZX10 and GSX750, which I've also had.

I've ridden a few proper sports bikes, including the much hyped '99 Hayabusa, ZX9R, RS250 Aprilia and a couple of Ducatis (748 and 916).
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest you may just have to accept the fact that whilst you don't like them a lot of other people do and stop trying to make a point about it on here, especially when you make it with sweeping generalisations about our behaviour. It comes across as being a bit arrogant when you are clearly suggesting that your way is the right way.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, I know lots of sports bike riders who don't wear power ranger leathers. I don't lust after one, but wouldn't say no to owning one because it is something I would like to try and think I would enjoy. Although I also don't think I will ever stop liking naked bikes and offroad bikes.

You do have a rather irrational hate for people who like sportsbikes though, from some of your posts it seems that way anyway.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

People just have different tastes and needs as well as different/certain expectations from a bike. Karma

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PostPosted: 19:27 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
To be honest you may just have to accept the fact that whilst you don't like them a lot of other people do and stop trying to make a point about it on here, especially when you make it with sweeping generalisations about our behaviour. It comes across as being a bit arrogant when you are clearly suggesting that your way is the right way.


Not at all - I realise I'm at least as big a knob as the people I criticise Laughing I'm just trying to work out why bikes that should appeal to me don't. I think it's partly due to a fear of losing my license and/or theft of flash bike. I must admit that the Ducatis I rode were very nice, the kind of thing I could probably get used to...but I'd have to sleep in the garage chained to a Ducati if I had one, what with all the thieving bastards there are about Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fairly pointless thread really - it may be difficult for you to comprehend, but different people like different things.
This fact might perhaps explain why bike manufacturers make lots of different sorts of bikes.
Not everyone wants to wobble around on a ropey old air-cooled shitter with 'interesting' handling and a hinge in the middle of the frame.
Personally, i can't see why anyone would want anything other than a sportsbike. No doubt there'll be a 'Well i ride an *insert old shitter here* and i'm always overtaking sportsbikes' comment along shortly - well, that's just great, well done you.
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I observe and lurk rather than post, but I couldn't keep myself from chipping in here.

27cows, you are becoming very boring with this topic. Your like and broken record and nobody really cares any more. It is obvious you have lots of knowledge to share, but please do it without adding a stupid little comment about sports bikes at the end. You just seem to live in your own little world. Everyone has opinions, and everyone's is different. Each to their own.

Just STFU.

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PostPosted: 19:36 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
Fairly pointless thread really - it may be difficult for you to comprehend, but different people like different things.
This fact might perhaps explain why bike manufacturers make lots of different sorts of bikes.
Not everyone wants to wobble around on a ropey old air-cooled shitter with 'interesting' handling and a hinge in the middle of the frame.
Personally, i can't see why anyone would want anything other than a sportsbike. No doubt there'll be a 'Well i ride an *insert old shitter here* and i'm always overtaking sportsbikes' comment along shortly - well, that's just great, well done you.


If pointless then why bother replying? Some goes for the other halfwit. I asked a valid question. I am interested in the appeal of sports bikes to people. Obviously they're hugely popular for a reason (virtually every 'flagship' bike is sporty - at least for the Jap and Italian manufacturers).

I presume anyone reading these forums has the mental ability to just ignore anything they don't want to read Wink
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
I presume anyone reading these forums has the mental ability to just ignore anything they don't want to read Wink


You'd be surprised. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an idea: why don't you simply fuck off and spare us all the tedious drivel?
The appeal of sportsbikes - they go fast. Going fast is fun.
End of.

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PostPosted: 19:40 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who was the other halfwit out of interest?

I suppose if you want to know why the "flagship" models are sporty then think about it like this:-

A motorbike must be able to move, stop and go round corners. A sports bike is what we call a bike that is designed to maximise moving, stopping and cornering.

I've nearly always had either sports cars or Gti type cars. Lately I've been borrowing a Mondeo to get to work and even though I just potter along when I'm commuting I just find the engine, the brakes and the handling so depressingly awful that it annoys me even though I'm not going fast enough to need these attributes. Sporty vehicles are just very good to drive/ride.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tvr321 wrote:
I observe and lurk rather than post, but I couldn't keep myself from chipping in here.

27cows, you are becoming very boring with this topic. Your like and broken record and nobody really cares any more. It is obvious you have lots of knowledge to share, but please do it without adding a stupid little comment about sports bikes at the end. You just seem to live in your own little world. Everyone has opinions, and everyone's is different. Each to their own.

Just STFU.

Done.


Agreed. He obviously has had loads of experience and could contribute vastly to the forum, for example in the workshop section. However, he much prefers to incite hatred on sports bike riders.

Can't really add anything on-topic, other than I like all types of bikes, but they each have different purposes. I wouldn't take my 125 commuter/cruiser if I was wanting to go screaming round bends on the back roads, and I wouldn't bother taking my 600 sports tourer just to nip to the shops. (I know you can easily adapt your bike to everything when you only own one.)
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
Who was the other halfwit out of interest?


The French lurker I imagine. Karma
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a fair question and very valid. It is a question about bikes, on a bike forum, whats wrong with that?

If it was a 'different' member posting it, they would get a ton of positive replies instead of the wagon, the, band, on and jumping (re arrange to make a well known saying).

I have had the GSXR 100's etc yet I come from an era, 70's, when this type of bike was not yet around. I got one because it was new and shiny and the latest toy, I make no apologies for that. I loved my sports bikes and would have another like a shot. I currently ride an 08 Tuono so I have not really strayed far, and have an RGV 250 'in progress'. That said I am getting to old and am far to aware of my mortality to pin the throttle everywhere.

I would happily have an old Z1000 or GT750 but I am crap at fettling and just want to get on and ride!

Each to their own I guess.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
Here's an idea: why don't you simply fuck off and spare us all the tedious drivel?
The appeal of sportsbikes - they go fast. Going fast is fun.
End of.

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Like the majority of people on here (and indeed most forums, bike related and otherwise) don't spout endless tedious drivel Wink Lighten up a bit, eh? I understand that some people do find endless nonsense about tyre compounds and suspension settings fascinating - each to their own.

I take it your reply to the question posed by this thread is 'Because it makes me feel good about myself' Wink

It may surprise a few here to learn that the majority of biking mates of mine are sports bike riders, not MZ owning oddballs.

I am genuinely interested, not trying to take the piss. I've ridden sports bikes. I've owned them (not anything properly modern, but even so). I just wondered what the primary reasons were for owning road bikes that go so fast so effortlessly. Perfectly understand why racers go for certain things - it just, to me, makes less sense for road use.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:

I understand that some people do find endless nonsense about tyre compounds and suspension settings fascinating - each to their own.


This highlights what I mean about the way you post; the blunt assertion that something other people like to talk about is nonsense because you're not interested. Then again if you just like an argument it's the right way to go... and I do Wink
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

all that follows is my opinion;

Us brit's have always favoured sportsbikes this is possibly due to our history. back in the 1930-60's we were the big motorcycle production nation (eg you couldn't win shit at the manx unless you were on a Manx Norton or Velocette Thruxton) and come to think of it we had a lot of the racetracks too. the guys who were riding then had to adapt their streetbikes to look like the racers.

This ethos has filtered down our motorcycling culture which is why guy's want sports bikes, even you admit that;
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Well, depends what you call a sports bike Wink I've owned an early GSXR1100, an RGV250, an LC500 and a KR1S. They were all considered sports bikes when they were new. Then again, so was stuff like the H1, LC/YPVS350, ZX10 and GSX750, which I've also had.


it is just now styles and costs have clearly moved on from your tastes. Thumbs Up

EDIT: i'd like to point out i've not owned a sportsbike due to the fact at 6'2"i don't really fit 'em. Secondly i like both modern and classics so can see the attractions of both
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
I just wondered what the primary reasons were for owning road bikes that go so fast so effortlessly.


To go so fast so effortlessly.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
27cows wrote:

I understand that some people do find endless nonsense about tyre compounds and suspension settings fascinating - each to their own.


This highlights what I mean about the way you post; the blunt assertion that something other people like to talk about is nonsense because you're not interested. Then again if you just like an argument it's the right way to go... and I do Wink


The problem with forums is it's not easy to express irony Wink I personally find endless fiddling and tweaking with suspension settings fascinating myself...though this tends to be by doing things like adding a bit more oil to the forks or experimenting with old springs I've found lurking in the garage, rather than with this multiple mega adjustment stuff you see on some bikes now Laughing

I'm a big fan of nonsense myself. If I say people who fiddle with old shite like MZs are barking, that's not meant to suggest there's anything wrong with it. I love MZs Smile
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