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TrumpBoy
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 21 Dec 2009    Post subject: 33BHP CB500 - Good? Reply with quote

Will take module 2 test on 11th Jan, supposedly last Friday, but got cancelled due to snow :@..

Anyway, want to prepared for new bike.. CB500's seems the one for me.

Some question:
How fast its go with restrictor on?
For a 1993 bike, how much should it be priced at? (1300 at my local dealership, HGB Honda.)
Whats insurance group its in?

Any answers would be appreciated.
Please don't advised me to get other bike, such as Fazer or SV650, I simply don't like the looks. CB500 rocks Smile
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 21 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How fast its go with restrictor on? - expect around 85 strolling up to about 90 then slowly edge towards 100.

For a 1993 bike, how much should it be priced at? (1300 at my local dealership, HGB Honda.)
ouch, i bought a 1993 Suzuki GS500, £500 with years tax and mot, new rear tyre and a fairing.. 1300 is a bit high, search around for private sales

Whats insurance group its in?
Insurance is quite low, Im paying £106 FC on my GS500 with no no-claims, 21 years old, riding 3 years, also have car with 2 years no claims.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess something important to consider with the price is mileage (alone with other general notes about condition).
I paid 1300 for my 99 bandit (just over a year ago) with 14,000 miles on it.
1300 for a 93 GS500 does seem steep.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea...this is a 2000 model..
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200949347821954/sort/priceasc/usedbikes/make/honda/model/cb/engine-size-bikes/490cc_to_675cc/page/1/quicksearch/true/radius/200/postcode/me157ax?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fresults%2Fusedbikes%2Fpostcode%2Fme157ax%2Fradius%2F200%2Fmake%2Fhonda%2Fmodel%2Fcb%2Fengine-size-bikes%2F490cc_to_675cc%2Fpage%2F1%2Fquicksearch%2Ftrue%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=p

They are also swapping parts of the forks out... so bonus Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: 33BHP CB500 - Good? Reply with quote

TrumpBoy wrote:

Please don't advised me to get other bike, such as Fazer or SV650, I simply don't like the looks. CB500 rocks Smile

Ok, then 'll advise you to base your bike buying on more than purely looks Wink.
The CB500 is ok restricted as it's closer to it's original design-intent regarding speed. However that design intent didn't include amazing suspension or brakes, etc.

The CB holds it's price better than other 500s, but I feel that's still a bit steep.
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a GS500 and swap the rear shock for a better one.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC Bodge wrote:
Get a GS500 and swap the rear shock for a better one.



Don't do this, the GS was the worst bike I ever owned. CB500's are a solid bike and ride far better than the GS. There not quick and not good looking but they are honest and reliable.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:

CB500's are a solid bike and ride far better than the GS.
MC Bodge wrote:
Get a GS500 and swap the rear shock for a better one.

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PostPosted: 09:36 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC Bodge wrote:
chris-red wrote:

CB500's are a solid bike and ride far better than the GS.
MC Bodge wrote:
Get a GS500 and swap the rear shock for a better one.


Mine had an RGV250 shock it was still a pile of wank.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair dos.

I wouldn't pay the premium for a CB500 over an ER5 or GS though.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't ridden a ER5 but the Suzuki was awefull all the fixings where rusty as hell I put Progressive springs on the front and the RGV shock on the back it handles ok and could be thrown about but was uncomfortable and un reliable. After that and my Bandit I will NEVER buy another Suzi again.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="padwaxk88"]How fast its go with restrictor on? - expect around 85 strolling up to about 90 then slowly edge towards 100.
+1

For a 1993 bike, how much should it be priced at? (1300 at my local dealership, HGB Honda.)
ouch, i bought a 1993 Suzuki GS500, £500 with years tax and mot, new rear tyre and a fairing.. 1300 is a bit high, search around for private sales
+1. It's not going to be worth over a grand at that age. And it better be in bloody awesome condition for anything near a grand! (be careful, i got stung by picking up a shiny looking '95 from a dealer. Followed by repair after repair (out my pocket).

Whats insurance group its in?
9. It's very very cheap for a big bike. After many many many hours shopping around i've just managed £240 TPO.
I'm 19 (at 18 or below less underwriters will quote so it costs more).
'Average' postcode - run down Welsh valley.
2 years NCB.
Student.
Unlimited mileage (commuting miles only).
Riding other bikes.
Modifications (33BHP restrictors, brakes, engine bars, etc).

Last year: £380 (TPFT as it cost the same as TPO).
18 (higher risk)
Same postcode.
1 year NCB (higher risk)
Shop salesman (lower risk)
10K commuting miles, incl. 2K business mileage (higher risk)
No riding other bikes (lower risk).
Same modifications.

Hope that helps give you an idea.

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PostPosted: 21:55 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm another member of the 500 quid GS500 club and so far mines been good as gold, so far it's cost me a walking stick rubber, an RGV shock as well as lots and lots of WD40 and ACF50.

I had a bit more luck with my shock mod though, I'm pretty happy with it so far although it's hugely tempting to do a swingarm/fork swap and throw a set of clip ons at it, I might even actually learn to ride properly on that Laughing

As far as the CB goes, I've never ridden one but Tristan's seemed uncannily invincible and he certainly didn't hang around on it either. Whilst I wouldn't pay that much for one, it's a decent choice of bike if you ask me Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 22 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
I'm another member of the 500 quid GS500 club and so far mines been good as gold, so far it's cost me a walking stick rubber, an RGV shock as well as lots and lots of WD40 and ACF50.

I had a bit more luck with my shock mod though, I'm pretty happy with it so far although it's hugely tempting to do a swingarm/fork swap and throw a set of clip ons at it, I might even actually learn to ride properly on that Laughing

As far as the CB goes, I've never ridden one but Tristan's seemed uncannily invincible and he certainly didn't hang around on it either. Whilst I wouldn't pay that much for one, it's a decent choice of bike if you ask me Thumbs Up


Ive got the SV shock on mine, it seems a shit load better than the one i test rode!
Ive got clip ons, but whats the swingarm/fork swap?
Ive changed the front forks to be less soft, that feels loads better.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 23 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

padwaxk88 wrote:
Seb wrote:
I'm another member of the 500 quid GS500 club and so far mines been good as gold, so far it's cost me a walking stick rubber, an RGV shock as well as lots and lots of WD40 and ACF50.

I had a bit more luck with my shock mod though, I'm pretty happy with it so far although it's hugely tempting to do a swingarm/fork swap and throw a set of clip ons at it, I might even actually learn to ride properly on that Laughing

As far as the CB goes, I've never ridden one but Tristan's seemed uncannily invincible and he certainly didn't hang around on it either. Whilst I wouldn't pay that much for one, it's a decent choice of bike if you ask me Thumbs Up


Ive got the SV shock on mine, it seems a shit load better than the one i test rode!
Ive got clip ons, but whats the swingarm/fork swap?
Ive changed the front forks to be less soft, that feels loads better.


The GS clipons and 'real' clip ons as such, if you put some RGV forks on it the bars would be much lower.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 23 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the CB500 can be made to look good:
https://www.waz-racing.com/resources/cb500+side.jpg


as can the GS:
https://img296.imageshack.us/i/copyofdsc0674mq4.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 23 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Bandit 400 swingarm and wheel combo pretty much bolts straight in opening up a much better choice of tyres.

At the front end early GSXR forks seem to be a pretty popular swap, RGV forks work too but I suspect would be harder to get hold of, I've even seen one with a ZX6 b1h front end grafted on Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 23 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
A Bandit 400 swingarm and wheel combo pretty much bolts straight in opening up a much better choice of tyres.

At the front end early GSXR forks seem to be a pretty popular swap, RGV forks work too but I suspect would be harder to get hold of, I've even seen one with a ZX6 b1h front end grafted on Laughing


ok, so a bandit 400 is a direct swap? need to change chain/sprockets etc?
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 24 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, this has been a great help!

Yeah, GS500, seems like a good bike.. but, Honda's more reliable than Suzuki..

But thanks for advices, I'll have a look on the GS soon, see if its to my likes. Smile Because I think the looks' one of big must for my choices of bikes, Ducci 916's my dream bike after all. Smile Hence its old, so I'll take Aprilia RSV4 instead if I'm older (and rich) enough!
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 24 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

its not more reliable....
Honda build quality is fantastic, but look after anything and it will last!
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 24 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

padwaxk88 wrote:
its not more reliable....
Honda build quality is fantastic, but look after anything and it will last!


I partly disagree, as i believe build quality is a big factor in a bike's reliability (but not the only one) - unless anyone is of course planning to take it apart and put it together again themselves (in which case it's their build quality that matters). So imo, worse build quality will loosely translate to lower reliability.

E.g. Chinese build quality is generally terrible. Chinese bikes are often unreliable, whether looked after or not (see the various horror stories).

Of course anyone can take a well built Honda and make it unreliable and faulty through lack of care - same with any bike. You also get friday afternoon bikes of course. My CB500 is a good example of a bad Honda, it's needed many repairs (it was 15 years old to be fair, but it looked very tidy). This is because the riding school before me didn't bother to fix worn components like bushes, bearings and lock mechanisms (but engine still goes strong, probably because riding schools are careful with oil changes - i doubt a poorly made engine would've lasted to 45K miles though, despite this).

I do agree with you in the way that condition matters much more with an older second hand bike than initial build quality - it's probably the only real way you'll get an idea of how well the previous owner(s) looked after it!
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 24 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

would you not agree that the 94+ GPZ500S is a better all round bike than the CB500?

Quicker, cheaper, part faired(for protection), better MPG, easier servicing, cheaper parts, cheaper to buy, equally cheap insurance.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 24 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my DAS on a GS500 and have been riding a CB500 for nearly a year now.

I don't know if it was just the GS500 I used, but I found that the foot position was much further back, something that I found was uncomfortable- I can ride the cb500 for a couple of hours with no problems, but the GS I found uncomfortable after not very long. At 5'7, I'm a bit of a shortarse, so that might be a factor. T'other half, at a whisker over 6', found the GS fine.

The CB feels heavier and is a physically bigger bike, and the weight does feel quite high up.

Neither is a bad choice, but I would consider the benefits that you'd get from the bikini-faired versions. I do yearn for some sort of weather protection, and will be trading up to something with a fairing in the near future.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 24 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
would you not agree that the 94+ GPZ500S is a better all round bike than the CB500?

Quicker, cheaper, part faired(for protection), better MPG, easier servicing, cheaper parts, cheaper to buy, equally cheap insurance.


The power to weight ratio is the tiniest bit better (less than 1% from what i remember).
Cheaper is almost a given, the CB500 is expensive.
Part faired - see CB500S (half faired CB500).
GPZ MPG is lower (44) according to MCN (CB500 @ 50 - Haynes says 52).
I fail to see how much simpler it can be to service the CB500 (and i own a CG125 so i've seen how simple servicing can be). Can't say how hard/easy the GPZ is.
Cheaper parts are again almost a given, being a non-Honda.
Insurance it seems to be one group lower than the CB according to MCN, although IIRC my quotes were the same when i tested it last.

If it weren't for the lower MPG id've considered it.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 25 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are joking right?
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Official figures are 55MPG, most people achieve 70-80MPG from GPZ's 19 litre tank.
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