nsr vs cbr

[wupwup]

i went out looking around bike shops today with a mind to finding a nice nsr. sadly they are hard to come across and was advised to get the cbr by a very knowledgeable sounding bike salesman. i dont realy like the look but i have to admit it dose sound more sensible. he said finding a good nsr would be verry hard and the abuse they are put through can often leave things like damaged pistons that arent visible when you buy them so it would be verry hard to get a good one and could cost me an arm and a legg to get fixed. the side fairings also being £300 was a bit of an off-putting idea. not that im planning on crashing but as a first bike who knows. im planning on keeping it for quite a while, untill ive passed my test and probably quite a bit longer (no money for a big bike). so im prety sure a nsr would be better but my dad is convinced that a newer 4 stroke would be better. i will be using it as transport mainly and a little fun but probably not a long way. (nowhere to go ) cheers

[BenR]

There'll be loads of NSRs on egay.
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[BlackStallion]

Depending on your height, i'd go for the CBR.

The NSR will be faster, and it's a lot bigger and nicer in size than the CBR.

The CBR is way to slim for me, and the wheels are so thin, i don't like having a bike that feels smaller than me when sitting on it. I'm 6ft, but if you're under 5ft 8, i'd say the CBR would be a perfect bike

The 4 stroke engine is just about bulletproof, and i haven't ever heard of problems, other than appearance. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice looking little bike, but you just have to be the right size to feel comfortable with it.

The CBR is a bit pricey for a 125, but up against the NSR, i'd agree with the bike salesman, if you found a thrashed CBR, i'm sure it would be in better condition than a thrashed NSR, but you never know

For reliability, fuel economy and decent speeds, i'd go for the CBR

If you're looking for speed and larger size, then go for the NSR

It's all up to you mate, just say you had £1000, you could find a cheap NSR for £700 in rideable condition, but you could spend the £300 on getting it in better nick

At the same time, you could spend £1000 on a CBR in good condition, with no need to blow money on it, so they could work out to be equal in price.

All the best bud

[wupwup]

well im 5' 10" and the cbr did feel a bit small. would there be much difference between a cbr and a yamaha ybr? because if there isnt id be tempted to get one of those instead.

and if i spent 1000 on a cbr and 700 + maintanence on a nsr surely id end up with a better bike for the same price with the nsr?.

@ g. would you say that the 2 stroke was a much better bike? and do you wish you had it first? and the cbr fairings are about £30


i guess what im asking is how well do old bikes hold up? do most major parts need replacing every x years anyway so the bike is esentialy made up of lots of newer parts? or will it have nackered 10 year old breaks e.c.t. that i need to replace myself? cheers

[Knacker]

Did anyone notice that some words spelt wrong ie verry and legg had to many letters but Prety had to fewer letters lol I no it's sad but just made me laugh.

Find a decent NSR cbr's are ok but IMHO all show and literally no go.
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[tvr321]

You cannot generalise both bike, you cannot say: "An NSR is unreliable and a CBR is reliable"

Basically, if you know what you are doing or you want to learn (and you are sensible about it, you would be much happier with the NSR. It is just so much more rewarding when you ride it.

I do the simple check up jobs that two stroke need on mine and it hasn't missed a beat, and I completely rely on it.

Basically what the NSR needs is simple routine maintenance. If you do that and stick to the book and a couple of simple rules (Like warm it up properly and don't thrash it from cold), you'll have a much better bike, perfectly reliable bike.



Are you interested in spending time on your bike, or do you just want to ride it and never even think about getting some tools out?


My advice is to find a decent low mileage one, quiz the owner. For example:
"What two stroke oil did you run it on?" (If they hesitate you know straight away that they just used any old crap and that they did not care for or look after the bike" Look for the guy who answers "Castrol TTS fully synth." with a smile.

Here's another good one, ask them if they did a top end rebuild, if they say yes, ask them what letter the cylinder is branded with. If they used genuine HONDA parts and did a good job, they WILL know. If they don't, they just used a cheap chinese piston off eBay and they didn't do a good job.

It's just simple questions like that that will let you know if they were a good owner or not.



Basically, NSR all the way. If you buy one, you will not regret it. If you buy a CBR, you will regret it everytime you ride it and everytime someone sees you on it.

[buddy]

excellent advise from the guy above

mate, you really dont want he cbr. the salesman was abviously very convincing, thats what he is trained to do

also the salesman is an idiot, nsr side fairings for example can be bought for as little as £30

the nsr is not unreliable. If you dont maintain it and thrash it from cold then yes, it will break. the main thing that kills these bikes is thrashing them from cold
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I just want to say thanks to tvr321, for mentioning those tips, on what questions to ask when looking at a bike you never no what you can find out with the simplest of questions

I'll remember questions like those for when i look at a bigger bike.

Cheers mate

[Mystery]

personally i would go with the nsr over the cbr as long as you don't drop it or need to replace fairings on it, i haven't owned a cbr but i rode one a few times and i think the nsr is better in corners as well as top speed etc.
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[wupwup]

cheers guys. i would be interested in doing most of the maintenance and i am quite mechanical but at the same time i lack experience and would be worried to start with unless i had someone to help me or it was pretty simple. i wouldn't feel comfortable doing a full engine rebuild in the first week of ownership.

im defiantly not planning on dropping it and i will probably be quite careful but who knows. thanks tvr321 again for the questions. they will be great cheers

[Redoko]

You even consider passing one of these up?



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[wupwup]

aye it looks prety enough in pictures but in real life it just dosnt do it for me.

[st3v3]

I think Honda disgraced the Fireblade image with that monstrosity.

Chances are, a 'nice' NSR won't need a top end rebuild for a while if you treat it with respect; if you're mechanically minded it'll do you far more good to start off with that rather than a CBR.

Plus, you're not on your own cos the Workshop sections only a click or two away when your internet works.
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The 2 stroke did everything better bar fuel economy pretty much. The few times I had to deal with dual carriageways (closest was about 10 miles away and rarely had cause to use it) the 4 stroke wasn't a great bike to have there, while everywhere else I found the bike generally a bit lacking.

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[stirlinggaz]

Hi,
PLEASE dont buy a cbr.
out of all the 125's i have owned, its one of the most boring.build quality aint brilliant either compared to other hondas. (maybe due to being made cheaply, in thailand?)
the nsr feels like a bigger bike + is just as reliable if maintained properly.
buy a decent one though, there are a couple left, lol
its value wont go down if looked after properly.
the cbr is great if you just want a bike for commuting + just want to jump on it + go. (not very fast) but you will tire of it very quickly.
the nsr is a lot more fun, but needs a bit more looking after.
having owned both, the only one i'd get again is an nsr.
cheers,
GAZ

[P.addy]

I had a CBR, was a great 6 weeks...then sold due to being utterly bored and felt like a giant on it.. poxy thing.
Was pretty nippy, but was just a fake piece of plastic, i love sports bikes, but its not sporty at all!

Look around for a Hyosung if you want grunty and full size.
The NSR's are sound bikes if you look after them, riding mate has one, runs beautifully as he maintains it! Nippy, Nice size, looks the nuts too

Up to you what you want, 4 stroke or 2 stroke..
the ybr isnt too bad a commuter, its along with a CG really.. performance wise its mediocre.. but gets you from A to B.

[tvr321]

Don't limit yourself to one model either. The Yamaha TZR 125, DT(R) 125 and the TDR 125 all share the same engine and are very reliable two strokes. Look out for the Suzuki RG 125 and the TS 125 as well.

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