Is 70 million too many?

[Raffles]

With net immigration running at current levels and with immigrants producing offspring in numbers that are way above the national average, it looks as though our little island is going to become somewhat bloated real soon.
Will this be a good thing or a bad thing for Britain?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240875/70-million-Immigrant-fuelled-population-boom-damage-society-say-leading-public-figures.html
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Current levels are too much for it to be pleasant, certainly in the south east.

All the best

Keith
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[Seb]

Agreed, 60 million is too much, let alone 70.
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[UrbanRacer]

nuke em.

i hate to say as i've been opposed to them for a long long time. but maybe a term in power for the BNP would be a good thing.

[Skudd]

Didn't the Daily Mail run this scare in the summer?
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[Inkognito]

You could always move to Denmark.
Population is about 6 million and with plenty of space left for expanding

[Kickstart]

Hi

UK population density is fairly high, but is brought down by the very low population densities of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

For the UK we are about 51st in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density), but England alone is has a population density about 50% higher (https://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/population.html - although the figures are for different year from the other link, so not directly comparable). Enough to put the England into about 30th position.

Yes the country can physically fit many more in, but I suspect for many it would feel pretty unpleasant, with fewer places people could get away from others if they want.

All the best

Keith
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[Itchy]

Not this again listen up, its all about demographics.

There are two distinct groups in this:

Generation W

Generation X and beyond

Generation W are your parents, they are the baby boomers, in they voted for things that would be paid for by the children generation X and beyond. For example Clement Altee's NHS depends on other people paying for it. Pensions are mostly unfunded and depend on other people working now to pay for it. There is a 1.1 trillion pound government pension black hole it is NOT funded, there is no bank account with this money in it or any warehouse. Tax YOU pay now is used to fund the payments now. When you grow old the deal is that people working in 2045 will pay your pensions, they are NOT funded like 401Ks in the USA.


The problem is Gen X is not reproducing in enough numbers to fund Gen W's promised pensions and health care. Look up workers vs pensioners ratio of the 1950s till now its been falling for decades. This is also compounded by the problem that Gen W have a monopoly on jobs AND assets.

I.e. it is THEM who benefit from houses that are massively overpriced, as they ineffect keep the younth in indentitude. With falling wages and rents it is not uncommon to spend 40-70% of their take home pay on rent.

There is virtually NO ESCAPE from the rent or buy trap, due to planning laws, i.e if I don't want to pay a mortgage I have to rent or live at home. I can't build a shanty town anywhere unless you live in say a tent but with this you still need permission.

As said with all these problems Gen X can't compete as high pay jobs vanish and basic cost of living is so high, and many refuse to participate as the odds are stacked against them so heavily it is futile, promises made to US will never be fulfilled as they can't be.

So essentially the stop gap is to allow migrants to come in since you get ready made workers which you do not need to school for 18 years who will work for less, harder and live in squalor, this keeps the pyramid going for Gen W, but at the same time due to these 'advantages' it torches Generation X yet again, so more people refuse to participate.


The problem is its all a game of pyramids, in that the goal is to keep the pyramid going and let it collaspe on the future generations, the pyramid worked nicely through the 60s and 70s then hit a demographic brick wall i.e NOW.


Simples


China is about to hit a demographic brick wall, they will hit it by 2013, which is why in non Han Chinese can have as many children as they want (9% of the population). Also in Shanghai and Shenzen they are lifting restrictions on one child per family policy so they can keep the pyramid going a little longer.


Japan tried the 3rd way,

Japan is notorious for being anti immigration, when ever I go to Narita airport the immigration officer gives me a dirty look, Japan attempted to beat the demographics problem by increasing productivity of its youth. Also with robots.

This failed, as in Japan they worked their youth so hard they started to die from over work and at the same time because of this they crushed the birth rate, take it this way you may have a Japanese babe as a wife but if you've just done a 23 hour shift she might be Maria Ozawa but you'll be too tired.

And thus even Japan has started giving out work visas to foreigners only overseas born Japanese can apply for citizenship though.





Essentually the question isn't do we want immigrants, the question is do we want a collaspe sometime around 2018 or do we want a collaspe around 2055 or 2095 by which time you are beyond caring.
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[cestrian]

I read somewhere that about 3 years ago Tesco estimated the population of Britain to be closer to 100 Millions, nevermind 60-70 Millions. The figures were based upon the information gathered from the stores points cards.

[lostboy]

Stop moaning about it and think about all the extra body heat produced in the cold weather and its only overpopulated in certain parts of the country, the other parts just burn em out like down the road from me, this solves 2 problems dense population of asylum seekers and it gives the kids summat to do after school. Voting BNP won't help either might harm relations with the leader from across the pond.

But on a more serious note kids racism is wrong. well thats what chalky told me anyway....

p.s. I'm not prejudiced I hate every fucker
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[27cows]

Even if from this very moment, no one else was ever allowed to move to Britain from elsewhere, we'd still reach 70 million before that long as population grows as people breed...obviously.

The problems aren't caused by immigration, so much as letting the wrong kind of people into the country. Too many come here specifically to scrounge and milk the system. Plenty don't, though. And there are plenty of useless indigenous Brits would we could sent back in the other direction in exchange for immigrants with skills

[Kickstart]

[smegballs]

I like it when you get the chestnut:

"Immigrants are coming over and taking all the jobs"

quickly followed by

"bloody immigrants coming over and sponging our benefits"

Surely you can't have it both ways!

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[Kickstart]

Hi

I would doubt it is anything like 50/50. While things can change, in the previous 10 years the ethnic minority population increased by 50%. If it had the same increase in the last 8 years then they would still only account for about 11% of the population. A long way short of any idea of ousting 75% of the population.

As to pure brits, how do you define that? How many generations would you go back through? I certainly am not as one of my grandparents was born in Ireland and another just after moving from Ireland.

All the best

Keith
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