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Raffles
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Bleach of the peace. Reply with quote

What sort of ''human being'' could carry out such a wicked, pre-meditated attack on a defenceless woman?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242289/Teenager-poured-bleach-mother-asked-quiet-cinema-locked-12-months.html
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Horsley is likely to serve six months behind bars before being released."

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PostPosted: 00:22 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you attack someone with bleach you mean to blind them in my book.

This sort of thing I feel could best be dealt with by a summary execution. Anyone who acts on urges to blind someone with no good reason is simply scum who is a waste of air and food.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

PEOPLE OF BRITAIN YOU COMMIT A CRIME YOU WILL PAY! obviously not too much cos that would be unfair so please, please, please don't commit a crime otherwise you will be made to sit on the naughty step for 3 minutes, You understand this don't you? no? oh ok, but please don't do it again there's a good chap, anybody else fucked off with this attitude to law and order in the U.K. or is it just me?
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

twisted fucker...
but not as twisted as the guy who paid a mate to throw industrial strength sulphuric acid over the face of his model girlfriend when she dumped him for being a nutter,Thankfully though, he got life.Poor girl!!!..it was a miracle that she wasnt permanantly blinded.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/19/article-1221077-06DF030A000005DC-899_233x423.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/19/article-1221077-06DF02EB000005DC-687_468x610.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/19/article-1221077-06DF02EF000005DC-965_224x423.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/19/article-1221077-06DF027B000005DC-712_468x360.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been a lot of bleach/acid attacks and it seems to be a Black Male crime. There was an incident of acid poured over a child, again a black male was the offender.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^can that guy really be as ignorant and fictitious as he`s just made himself out to be Rolling Eyes
Talk about over-exaggeration and trying to get a rise.. Rolling Eyes
but hey, everyone loves a good story dont they. Thumbs Down

black males are doing lots of bleach and acid crimes.....oh how i laughed Laughing Razz Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
There have been a lot of bleach/acid attacks and it seems to be a Black Male crime. There was an incident of acid poured over a child, again a black male was the offender.


You've done a full statistical analysis have you? All similar attacks over a meaningful time-period, broken down by race/ethnicity?

If you haven't I'd say your comment falls into the same category as the one you often criticize when it's applied to the police.

No race has exclusive domain on any form of attack*, other than dictated by expedience, and to claim or suggest otherwise is asinine in the extreme. And probably highly offensive to those implicated.

*Rap excepted.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

max power wrote:
twisted fucker...
but not as twisted as the guy who paid a mate to throw industrial strength sulphuric acid over the face of his model girlfriend when she dumped him for being a nutter,Thankfully though, he got life.Poor girl!!!..it was a miracle that she wasnt permanantly blinded.


One of mates has some of that on his farm. We dipped a (dead of course) mouse in once to see how strong it was. The mouse pretty much dissolved instantly.

I think the worst thing with this sort of attack is that it doesn't actually kill people outright. It just causes a lot of pain, distress and lasting damage.

If people just bumped people off it wouldn't be as bad in lots of ways. Ok the bleach didn't seem to be that bad but that acid was fucked up! I think a clean kill is infinitely preferable to putting people through pain but them still being alive.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bittern wrote:

I think the worst thing with this sort of attack is that it doesn't actually kill people outright. It just causes a lot of pain, distress and lasting damage.


Agree.
That girl`s an emotional wreck these days, spends 99% of her life hidden away behind closed doors at home with her mum because she cant get her around what her life has turned into.She`s getting better slowly but she`ll never truly get over it.Suppose the ex-boyfriend got what he wanted but i hope the price was worth it.
Life imprisonment over a girl??...i think i`ll pass on that one thanks very much.

I`ve done a couple of regrettable things to women/ex-girlfriends during my growing up phase, not without extreme provocation and cause though, but still, taking things to that level is disgraceful and i`d even consider it evil.

Nobody likes getting dumped, or cheated on, but you dont need to go to these kind of extremes just because a relationship failed.
Get some payback if you want to......but dont lose the fuckin plot while you`re at it.. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As much as I dislike sterotypes, I believe the old acid-in-face attack is traditionally a Yardie thing.

Might be totally wrong but I'm sure I heard that Kingston Hospital in Jamaica is a world leader in the treatment of such attacks because of this.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
As much as I dislike sterotypes, I believe the old acid-in-face attack is traditionally a Yardie thing.

Might be totally wrong but I'm sure I heard that Kingston Hospital in Jamaica is a world leader in the treatment of such attacks because of this.


Even if that is true what have the punishment actions of jamaican "gangsters" got to do with "black men".
Yardies are black.....so that makes acid throwing a "black male" crime all over the world does it?

not having a go at you about it mate but for fucks sake surely you see the ignorance of making generalisations like that.

This has nothing to do with any particular race or colour, as hetzer said, its just a violent crime that some people choose to do.
If the bleach guy and the acid guy are/were yardies ...then what you have said is valid. (but if its already commonplace in jamaica....we`ve already establsihed that Wink )

if anyone`s bored enough to go on a googling mission about acid/bleach/chemical attacks across the world.....i`ll bet you`ll find just as many white people doing it as blacks (excluding jamaica obviously).
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not agreeing with Skudd's stereotype, I'm merely offering a option as to where it could have originated.

I'm still wondering what Skudd was getting at when he said his original statement?
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

max power wrote:
Even if that is true what have the punishment actions of jamaican "gangsters" got to do with "black men".
Yardies are black.....so that makes acid throwing a "black male" crime all over the world does it?


How far do you want to narrow it down? A "Yardies called Cyril, Joe and Fred" crime? If some style of crime is associated with gangs made up of people who are of a certain race I can't see how it is abusive to comment on that race of those committing the crime rather than narrow it down to a gang or grouping of gangs.

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PostPosted: 17:48 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the internet...

"70% of all knife crime is carried out by black people
55% of all burglaries are conducted by black people
69% of all the drugs in this country are smuggled in by black people
you are five times more likely to be mugged by a black person
the odds of being killed by a black person are the highest out of any other group"

I suspect that might not be 100% accurate. Razz

Independent says: "All seven of the young men shot or stabbed to death in London since the beginning of February have been black." and "According to the 2001 Home Office census, Britain's black community makes up just 2 per cent of the total population. Yet each year around a third of all shooting victims are black. About one in 10 victims are of Asian origin, a population that makes up just 4 per cent of Britain's total." So from that it seems black people are more likely to be a victim

Jamaicans seem to like putting bleach in their own faces.

Acid throwing attacks, according to Wikipedia... "These attacks are common in Cambodia, Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and other Asian countries."
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

max power wrote:
^^^can that guy really be as ignorant and fictitious as he`s just made himself out to be Rolling Eyes
Talk about over-exaggeration and trying to get a rise.. Rolling Eyes
but hey, everyone loves a good story dont they. Thumbs Down

black males are doing lots of bleach and acid crimes.....oh how i laughed Laughing Razz Mr. Green


Yeh Skudd how could you possibly make such an ignorant, scurrilous and bigoted remark? You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

BTW Max, what colour were the perpetrators of the attack on the young lady that you featured in your earlier post?
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

raffles wrote:
BTW Max, what colour were the perpetrators of the attack on the young lady that you featured in your earlier post?

https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/01/acid-attack-two-jailed
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
max power wrote:
Even if that is true what have the punishment actions of jamaican "gangsters" got to do with "black men".
Yardies are black.....so that makes acid throwing a "black male" crime all over the world does it?


How far do you want to narrow it down? A "Yardies called Cyril, Joe and Fred" crime? If some style of crime is associated with gangs made up of people who are of a certain race I can't see how it is abusive to comment on that race of those committing the crime rather than narrow it down to a gang or grouping of gangs.

All the best

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I noticed that you disgreed with my karma rating so on that basis alone i dont feel its neccassary to get into "this" particular discussion with you because youve made your position clear already.
Regarding wether what was said is abusive or not...well...i suppose to someone white like yourself it probably isnt....cant say i agree with you.
You lay down the laws here though dont you keith so even if i tell you that "to me" it is abusive......it wont make any difference one way or the other within the confines of this website..

That doesnt mean to say i think youre biased in any way or prejudice yadda yadda....i`m just saying i disagaree with "your" outlook on what "you" think is/isnt abusive,
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

raffles wrote:

BTW Max, what colour were the perpetrators of the attack on the young lady that you featured in your earlier post?


If you read back you will see that was already mentioned but if you need further help ...ste just posted a link. Wink

ok...so we`ve got 2 stories here of 2 black lads in the uk who used chemicals as a weapon.
case closed apparently.....banged to rights.....its what "black males" do. Rolling Eyes
Must be a black male crime then.How stupid of me to not see that to begin with. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
According to the internet...

"70% of all knife crime is carried out by black people
55% of all burglaries are conducted by black people
69% of all the drugs in this country are smuggled in by black people
you are five times more likely to be mugged by a black person
the odds of being killed by a black person are the highest out of any other group"

I suspect that might not be 100% accurate. Razz

Independent says: "All seven of the young men shot or stabbed to death in London since the beginning of February have been black." and "According to the 2001 Home Office census, Britain's black community makes up just 2 per cent of the total population. Yet each year around a third of all shooting victims are black. About one in 10 victims are of Asian origin, a population that makes up just 4 per cent of Britain's total." So from that it seems black people are more likely to be a victim



Nice stats but theyre not about chemicals are they.If someone had said those crimes were more black orientated than white.....i wouldnt have disagreed. (well maybe just a little)


Ste wrote:
Acid throwing attacks, according to Wikipedia... "These attacks are common in Cambodia, Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and other Asian countries."


and the point youre making from that is???
Doesnt imply its a black male crime from what i can see.......unless you consider all the men from the above countries to be black males?
and how those cultures relate to british black men is totally beyond me.......or is it a case of "darkies....they`re all the fuckin same"?
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

max power wrote:
Nice stats but theyre not about chemicals are they.If someone had said those crimes were more black orientated than white.....i wouldnt have disgreed. (well maybe just a little)

They're not about chemicals, they're the closest crime statistisc I could find about. Can't find many articles or statistics that are about races.
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Ste wrote:
Acid throwing attacks, according to Wikipedia... "These attacks are common in Cambodia, Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and other Asian countries."

and the point youre making from that is???

Point is that those are countries where chemical throwing attacks are common, which means people from those countries are more likely to be involved with chemical throwing attacks than people from countries where chemical throwing attacks aren't common. And Jamaica isn't on the list.
max power wrote:
Doesnt imply its a black male crime from what i can see.......unless you consider all the men from the above countries to be black males?

IMO the list shows that it isn't a black male crime because I don't consider all the men from those countries to be black males.
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and how those cultures relate to british black men is totally beyond me.......or is it a case of "darkies......they`re all the fuckin same"?

Those cultures don't relate to British black men.

"Darkies... they're all the fucking same?"
No more than white people are all the fucking same.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Skudd wrote:
There have been a lot of bleach/acid attacks and it seems to be a Black Male crime. There was an incident of acid poured over a child, again a black male was the offender.


You've done a full statistical analysis have you? All similar attacks over a meaningful time-period, broken down by race/ethnicity?

If you haven't I'd say your comment falls into the same category as the one you often criticize when it's applied to the police.

No race has exclusive domain on any form of attack*, other than dictated by expedience, and to claim or suggest otherwise is asinine in the extreme. And probably highly offensive to those implicated.

*Rap excepted.


No I haven't done an in depth research, but of those cases that have been reported over the years that I can remember it does seem ( note I leave the window open to be corrected by any hard facts other than the anecdotal ones I'm aware of) to be a black male crime. I just wish you were just as fact finding in other cases. Rolling Eyes

Just like Honour killings tend to be amongst certain members of the community, not exclusive I know that, but if someone said that there had been an honour killing, a white female aged 84yrs doesn't spring to mind. same as when you say a race hate victim, a white, blond 6'2" male doesn't spring to mind either.
It was an observation, that if there weren't facts to show differently, could be seen as having merit.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 12 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

max power wrote:
twisted fucker...
but not as twisted as the guy who paid a mate to throw industrial strength sulphuric acid over the face of his model girlfriend when she dumped him for being a nutter,Thankfully though, he got life.Poor girl!!!..it was a miracle that she wasnt permanantly blinded.


I've commented on this before, but I'll say it again, as I like stoking this sort of fire.

Whilst I do not in any way condone or excuse that attack, what I will say that before, during and after her relationship with the guy who 'ordered' the attack she acted like a total moron.

I started to list the whole sorry tale, but I cant be arsed.

She comes across as a fool, self absorbed and obsessed with image and fame, a shallow person. She claims that the attack has entirely changed her outlook on life, that those things are not important to her. I would suggest that her continued and heightened media attention is contrary to this statement.
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 13 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought acid in the face was more something from Muslim countries used to disfigure adulterous or disobedient women, i've seen quite a few stories about really nasty attacks designed purely to disfigure women's faces amongst Muslims.
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 13 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
Whilst I do not in any way condone or excuse that attack, what I will say that before, during and after her relationship with the guy who 'ordered' the attack she acted like a total moron.

I started to list the whole sorry tale, but I cant be arsed.

She comes across as a fool, self absorbed and obsessed with image and fame, a shallow person. She claims that the attack has entirely changed her outlook on life, that those things are not important to her. I would suggest that her continued and heightened media attention is contrary to this statement.


I'm with you, I watched the documentary and I didn't feel sympathetic towards her, IMO she wasn't really that attractive in the first place.
I don't condone such attacks either and the guys responsible deserve a lifetime of the sort of pain they inflicted.

But I must shamefully admit that due to my hatred of the tedious, shallow, spoilt, fake and showy culture that people like her are responsible for
I did take great pleasure in expressing the lulz and irony factor right throughout the program...
Mostly because my two younger brothers were sat there in devastation that I could be so nasty.

Harsh call I know, but natural selection springs to mind.. She took the typical approach of
"I'm beautiful and I only want to be around beautiful rich arseholes such as myself".
She then messed with the head of one such "beautiful rich arsehole" and lost the only thing that seemed to be important to her, her beauty.
I don't actually believe it but sometimes I wish I meant it, I wish that I could say just deserves.
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