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Ibrahim
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 15 Jan 2010    Post subject: advice Reply with quote

hey, basically...im 18 and drive an aprilia rs125 and want to go straight to the big boys, i saved enough for a second hand suzuki hayabusa. i know its a bit too soon for it, but im a good driver (i like to think so that is) and im in love with bikes. if i do buy it ill drive to the speed i feel comfortable with and as i get to know the bike better ill be more relaxed on it. What do you think?
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Feasty
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 15 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you need to learn to RIDE a bike first... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 15 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree, it's far better to learn to ride and progress up more slowly than going from a 125 to a hayabusa. I had a small go on a bike 6 times as powerful as my 125 (no where near as powerful as a busa) and definitely wasn't able to control the thing properly.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 15 Jan 2010    Post subject: @ Reply with quote

insurance will probably be enough to buy a small house Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 15 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

'busas suck! Very Happy

And if that's all you want at the age of 18, having only owned a 125, then you have no imagination.

It's also illegal for you to ride anything over 33bhp for two years after passing your test. Many people risk it on sports bikes and get away with it, but riding a 'busa on an A2 licence is just about as conspicuous as it gets.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 15 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a Blade they are much more fun to smash your face off on...
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 15 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should get some insurance quotes and get back to us.

We could do with a good laugh Wink

If you can somehow afford it, then you should probably buy a house instead, but feel free to blow it - being your money after all.

Methinks you should test ride some bigger bikes somehow (if you can afford so much money for hayabusa insurance at 18 i'm sure you can somehow get / pay for a ride (or even pillion!) on a few big bikes out of the free change you have in your pocket) - maybe something like a 500 at first to scare you (assuming you haven't been riding one before, which would remove the shock factor as relatively speaking to a superbike they are very slow). Followed by maybe a sports 600 test by which time i'd expect you to kack yourself, or be riding very very slowly indeed.

Maybe when you've proved to yourself you're not a total liability on a sports 600, you may be ready for another big step up. I kind of doubt you'll get that far (no offense, but riding a 125 does not prepare you for the mental experience of a bigger bike - let alone one as focused as what you're talking about).

I could've got you completely wrong (always a slim chance...), but i suggest what i've said applies to pretty much everyone (and no matter what you may think, you are very unlikely to be the special/extremely lucky one that is able to do what you're proposing, afford it, and survive).
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Ibrahim
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 16 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ye i thought of insurance and thats the main thing thats holding me back.
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It's also illegal for you to ride anything over 33bhp for two years after passing your test. Many people risk it on sports bikes and get away with it, but riding a 'busa on an A2 licence is just about as conspicuous as it gets.

About the legal and illegal issue... its veeeery rare you meet someone with an actual motorbike licence in here, police dont bother with bikers cos its a lost cause. The only thing they can do to them is give them a slow down sign. Thats maybe also why you hear at least 1 death on a bike every month, considering Cyprus is a very small island and half of it is taken by the turks, thats a big death toll.

Getting another bigger bike and eventually buying something as beasty as the busa will turn out to be more expensive in my opinion. So the next bike im getting, im sticking to for maany years to come.

I purchased the rs125 2 years ago and had to learn driving it myself as i have no one to help me. after a few months i made new biker friends and got more interested in the bigger bikes.

emmm, about $3000 a year for insurance on a busa??? i worked hard enough to save enough money for actually buying the bike and know that keeping a bike like that means working even harder to pay insurance and keeping it road safe, but thats just taking the piss..
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OssY
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 16 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are much easier and cheaper ways to kill yourself than going out and buying a busa...
If you are going to buy a bigger bike go up slowly.

Gotta learn to walk before you can run...
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 17 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheapest quote online for uk is £4462.50 Confused
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Ibrahim
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 17 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

im not willing to spend that much for insurance anyway, although im sure its cheaper in Cyprus. i might call for a quote just for the sake of knowing. I do have other bikes in mind which im intrested in and smaller than the busa. The busa was just a crazy idea and i think thats were its going to stay. Thanks for the enlightenment guys Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 17 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ibrahim wrote:
I purchased the rs125 2 years ago and had to learn driving it myself as i have no one to help me. after a few months i made new biker friends and got more interested in the bigger bikes.


Please, you ride a bike not drive it Cool
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 17 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically you do both. Riding is the position your are on it, driving is having control of it. Just like you can drive cattle, a train or whatever.

Trust me there are systems in place to make getting a bike like that difficult at a young age. Of course there is the power issue, but even if you get around that insurance will be high wherever you are in the world. Think of it as 'How many other people my age will have safely owned on of these?' if the answer is not a large number its going to be expensive. Insurance companies like making money not risking it.

If you do manage to get one, good on you! I'd have loved one at your age and think i could have handled it safely.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 17 Jan 2010    Post subject: Re: @ Reply with quote

crackfinder wrote:
insurance will probably be enough to buy a small house Laughing


Very Happy Very Happy exactly!
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Ibrahim
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you do manage to get one, good on you! I'd have loved one at your age and think i could have handled it safely.

i truly believe i can handle it if i take it easy and get used to the power.

Yeah its true most people dont safely ride a bike like that, especially here.

The issue is insurance though i checked a few quotes from different insurance company and they were around $3000 to $4000. It came to mind to get a busa cos it has one of the most powerfull engines its comfy and a good pillion seat which will be better for a passenger, what more can you ask of a bike. Now you can say better handling through corners, faster on a track, etc. etc. but that doesnt matter cos im not going to be racing it, and we have no tracks to race in Cyprus, which is lame and ive done a few things to make the government do something about it but thats a different story.

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insurance will probably be enough to buy a small house

to be reeally honest here my mind says go straight for the busa and forget the small house. Logically though that wouldnt be clever...

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Technically you do both. Riding is the position your are on it, driving is having control of it. Just like you can drive cattle, a train or whatever.

hah Wink
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

While there are no race track, there aren't really any fast long roads either in Cyprus. The 'busa is built to be pretty comfy and pretty quick for long fast journies (that, and going silly speeds on drag race strips).

Trouble with a large jump in power like you are suggesting is that you don't really have the experience of a larger bike to know if you will be OK on it. And finding out you are not when you arrive at a corner 50mph faster than you expected with very little effort is likely to be painful.

All the best

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Ibrahim
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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finding out you are not when you arrive at a corner 50mph faster than you expected with very little effort is likely to be painful.

ouch. yeah i see your point. Shocked
i was thinking of taking it slow at first and slow i mean not exceeding the speed you are not familiar with.
for example, even if i do get a smaller bigger bike and learn on that before i get a busa i will still face new challenges on the busa. So basically what i think is you ride up to your limits and slowly pushing those limits higher and higher up to were you want to stop.
But ye i see were you are getting at. Plus most of you here are much more experienced than i am so i think it is wise to take on the advice Smile

i might start on something smaller, like a 600 (im not going less than that) which im quite confident i can manage riding after a few days and not smashing my face off. After that we see, plus insurance will come muuch cheaper Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Larger bikes go quicker with very little effort. At least the 600s are a fair bit less flexible so you are less likely to find yourself doing silly speeds without trying or even noticing.

All the best

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OssY
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish someone had said that to me a few years ago... LoL...
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Ibrahim
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

eek, i see the dangers on the road with a 125 i can just imagine how much more alert you should be on a motorbike with higher power.
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I wish someone had said that to me a few years ago... LoL...

heh, i would ask for more details but i dont know how gory it gets.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its just one of those experiences that we almost all have had or will have. The feeling of OH SHIT, when you realise you are carrying much to much speed into a bend and you really have got to force the bike round.

Kind of like squeaky bum time....
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ibrahim wrote:
eek, i see the dangers on the road with a 125 i can just imagine how much more alert you should be on a motorbike with higher power.


When I first had a go on a 600 (15 years ago, I am old as mud) I said to myself "how on earth is this machine legal to ride on public roads?"
Acceleration of a 600 simply stops your brain.
Believe me, you don't need a busa to kill yourself.
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Ibrahim
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 20 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When I first had a go on a 600 (15 years ago, I am old as mud) I said to myself "how on earth is this machine legal to ride on public roads?"
Acceleration of a 600 simply stops your brain.
Believe me, you don't need a busa to kill yourself.

hah, point taken.
Thanks for helping me decide on what to do guys Thumbs Up
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