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Mr.Everready
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Trigonometery help Reply with quote

My son has a question for his homework, any one help out ?#


Right angle triangle. What is x ?
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

4^2+(1+2)^2=(1+4)^2
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

benc wrote:
4^2+(1+2)^2=(1+4)^2


Mind explaining......simply please ? Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate when people put a single x on the end of their posts/texts.

Its the sort of thing you expect from a 13 year old Essex girl with too much "product" in her hair.

"I went to the shops and bought some fags x "

FUCK OFF X

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PostPosted: 19:26 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry its not 5 it is 1.

the top right one is 5 in total. got mixed up lol


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PostPosted: 19:31 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

allymoss wrote:
its 5


I'm sure it is but how do you get the answer ? He obviosly needs to show the workings too.
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

its pythagoras therom have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem it should explain it better than i can
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using pythagorus:

1.)
(4)^2 + (x+2)^2 = (x+4)^2

Expanding this out gives:

2.)
16 + (x^2 + 4*x + 4) = (x^2 + 8*x +16)

The brackets aren't necessary, just there to show where each bit comes from.

Subtract from *both sides* 16 gives:

3.)
x^2 + 4*x + 4 = x^2 + 8*x

Similarly, x^2 first then 4*x gives:

4.)
4 = (8*x - 4*x) = 4*x

finally, divide both sides by 4 to give:

5.)
x = 1


Hope this helps
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

x = 1, the upright side is definitey longer than 3.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

longer than 3 what? There are no units on the diagram.

It's a more complicated (slightly) version of the 3-4-5 triangle where 5 is the longest side.
3^2 + 4^2 = 5^2
9+16=25

Therefore (x+2)=3 and (x+4)=5 Thus x=1
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically the square of the hypotenuse equals the sum of the square of the other two sides.

Therefore

hypotunuse squared = opposite squared + adjacent squared

Feed all the values in, then rearange to find x
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, just realised that cpt black- the 3 4 5 triangle is a simpler way of doing this and probably the answer they are looking for looking at the values given
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, my wife says it's a 3-4-5 Pythagorean triple, (a² + b² = c²) therefore x = 1

The proof via quadratic equation is:

(x+2)² + 16 = (x+4)²

expanding as:

x² + 4x + 4 + 16 = x² + 8x + 16

cancelling out (simplifying) leaves:

4 = 4x

x = 1

apparently Eh?
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CptBlack wrote:
longer than 3 what? There are no units on the diagram.



1 + 2 = 3

The problem ( for me ) is that the diagram seems to be out of scale. The vertical side is longer than the horizontal but according to the answer it's the other way round.
I'll try and get my head around it and explain it to him ! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes - what LeeR said.

Some more steps if you need them:
4^2 + (x+2)^2 = (x+4)^2
16+x^2+4+4x = (x+4)^2
x^2+4x+20 = x^2+16+8x
4x+20 = 16+8x
4 = 4x

therefore x=1
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore the diagram, they're never to scale.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:
CptBlack wrote:
longer than 3 what? There are no units on the diagram.



1 + 2 = 3

The problem ( for me ) is that the diagram seems to be out of scale. The vertical side is longer than the horizontal but according to the answer it's the other way round.
I'll try and get my head around it and explain it to him ! Mr. Green

Drawings in maths questions are never to scale - you shouldn't look at the size of the triangle.

I suspect that the way I've done it is the way that they'll be expecting it to be done.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not going to repeat whats been said as it's already been calculated.

But think yourself lucky he doesn't have to use the sine rule (fairly easy) or the cosine rule ( Evil or Very Mad )
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wait until he is in year 4 Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:
I'm not going to repeat whats been said as it's already been calculated.

But think yourself lucky she doesn't have to use the sine rule (fairly easy) or the cosine rule ( Evil or Very Mad )


It is the cosine rule but where the angle is 90 deg - a special case of the cosine rule
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you can use the sine/cosine rule if there is a 90deg angle but you can't use trig on a triangle with no 90deg angle, as you will probably know lol.

There's no need to use anything other than trig on a simple triangle like that. It's when you are given the an included angle and only 1 side etc that you need to start using trig along with sine and/or cosine.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody hell! BCF is a bunch of nerds lol.

It is fairly simple without involving quadratics and that question looks like it is from maybe year 6 - year 8 then I doubt the kid will be doing quadratics.

3, 4, 5 simples
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone, Karma will be dished out.

I understand the equation now, a sq + b sq = c sq I just need to get him to expand it then simplify it again...does that make sense ?

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PostPosted: 21:22 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

God it's years since I have done these
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Remind me what this is as I can't remember it being used when we used pencil and paper.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 19 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
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Remind me what this is as I can't remember it being used when we used pencil and paper.


It's the computer shorthand for a power: The number before is raised to the power of the number after the symbol,

i.e. 10^12 is 10 to the power of 12
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