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"there were nowt to do"
How f*cked up is that story 
To be so young yet to do that sort of attack is just undescribable really. |
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Not really those kids' fault though is it?
What kind of society allows children to become as f*cked up as that? We're supposed to be an advanced nation. Not much sign of that here. Messed up parents. Messed up kids.
I bet the kids in some of the poorest countries in the world are pretty bored too, but you don't get them doing sh*t like this.
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| Posted: 19:07 - 21 Jan 2010 Post subject: |
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| Skudd wrote: | Many of the reasons that kids have nothing to do is that the old youth clubs, scouts, boys brigades, footy teams and the like have all folded. mainly due to all the CRB checks and insurances that need to be taken out.
Yes there are kiddy fiddlers, but they are few and far between compared to the good people who want to help out. The cost of just getting people checked makes things really hard and as for insurance............. The PC do gooders and the H&S nazis have stopped the life lines for kids. They have done all these things to so call protect the kids but in the end they have caused more harm. |
Our got closed down because it became a meeting place for the friday night fight between whatever factions were declaring war for no reason whatsoever other than they came from a different area - which practically meant the other side of the street.
Add that to the drinking and soft drug taking and it was more than enough for some dick head to cease it's existence.
Sure, there used to be a bit of aggro, and the drinking/spliff smoking was hardly out of control, just normal kids stuff though, but it was THE place to go on a friday night, because the majority would just play football/play pool/watch top of the pops/table tennis/just hang out and try and get their fingers wet. I'm pretty sure the staff enjoyed it as well, never a dull moment, they'd even be pissing themselves as they escorted some scrote who drank too much frosty jacks to the carpark where their mother would be waiting to drive them home.
Good times.....real good times.
So yes, there is fuck all to do now unless you have money, which kids 12-17 generally won't unless mommy and daddy give them a tidy allowance - I lived off £5 a week which covered my fags and booze with change left over for go 4 ways on a small block of draw  £5 wont even get you into the cinema for one film, or even a game of bowling, so theres no real other option than to fuck around on the streets or tie themselves to the xbox or Facebook for the evening, especially in the winter.
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This story is tragic on so many levels...
It's naturally going to have destroyed the lives of the victims.
The two kids that committed the crime are likely going to be strung up for it, no doubt their identity will slip out soon enough (if it hasn't already) and that will be the end of their lives as well. Whilst what they did was beyond defence and I'd imagine they are beyond reform, they are not really to blame.
I'd imagine the parents will likely end up demonised by the press as well, and ok, they deserve it in many ways, the root of the problem doesn't lie with them either imo.
The thing that really boils my blood is the fact that this couple had 10 children. All born to a completely dysfunctional family with zero hope of employment and no future to aspire to. 10 kids most likely all brought up in similarly tragic conditions.
The thing is, fining, jailing or hanging the kids and/or the family isn't going to achieve anything at all. Instead the government really needs to work on giving these kind of communities some sort of a proper future otherwise these stories are just going to continue coming along. If they can afford to massively subsidise clubs and bars in a comical effort to recreate european bar culture then surely it's not too much to ask for them to offer sufficient industrial incentives to get employment back into the area. Solid education alongside the promise of stable jobs would get right to the very root of the problem that spawns families like these.
| Quote: | During police interview, the court heard the older brother said he attacked the boys because he had been bored and "there were nowt to do". |
Yes it's a sick quote, but the kid is absolutely spot on in saying it, he has nothing to do and more importantly, neither does his family.
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I think this country and most of the world is pretty fucked.....
At the current stage I don't think there is an easy option to improve the place. I think radical changed will be needed to get things back on track. Even something like paying everyone the dole and then their wages....
At the moment people on the minimum wage don't seem able to get by, worse than that the social scroungers are better off than the people who bust a nut for a few quid an hour.... To sort it out major things would have to happen...
Alternatively things get worse and worse until there is widespread calamity, millions die (not that bad a thing TBH), things equalise and then we go do it all over again
But it doesn't matter, because its just a ride.... |
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| skluff wrote: | Not really those kids' fault though is it?
What kind of society allows children to become as f*cked up as that? We're supposed to be an advanced nation. Not much sign of that here. Messed up parents. Messed up kids.
I bet the kids in some of the poorest countries in the world are pretty bored too, but you don't get them doing sh*t like this.
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Ah yes, the old 'society has failed them' shtick.
Why can't we just accept that these kids are completely fucked, instead of treating them like a blossoming rosebud that didnt receive enough sunshine?
What, you think if the govt. had bought them a game boy they wouldn't have killed anyone?
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And if they get born into the same deprived lifestyle again?
Curbing benefits would go some way towards helping in certain situations and areas, but you only have to look abroad to see that benefits are certainly not solely responsible for huge families being a common feature of deprived areas. As nice as it would be to put them down, that's not going to happen in the EU 
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Ah yes, the old 'society has failed them' shtick.
Why can't we just accept that these kids are completely fucked, instead of treating them like a blossoming rosebud that didnt receive enough sunshine?
What, you think if the govt. had bought them a game boy they wouldn't have killed anyone? |
So you think these kids were born 'fucked'? Literally ready to start smashing sinks over kids' heads straight out of the womb? Pre-programmed to be psychopaths?
By your theory, we might as well have just drowned them at birth then to save all this the hassle.
No doubt these kids have behavioural traits that they will have inherited from their demented parents, but ultimately they're current state is a product of their environment and upbringing. An environment that is shaped by society and what it allows and considers acceptable.
In this case, society has allowed two completely inept, depraved individuals to have children and then go about completely destroying their minds; physically abusive to each other, physically abusive to the kids, giving them drugs, polluting their minds with violent films. And we allowed it to happen.
You could speculate as to why:
- Subsidies (i.e. encouragement) for people to breed who are not fit to look after a dog , nevermind bring up a child.
- A nation of welfare addicts who sit about doing f*ck all (by choice). It has destroyed destroying the notion of a parental role model. Children see Mum and Dad doing f*ck all, what motivation is there for them to better themselves through education?
- No community spirit, no-one gives a shit about anyone else. No-one in the neighbourhood spotted something was badly wrong in this family or felt they could intervene. Even if they did, they probably didn't give a shit because it didn't affect them. We're a nation of individuals.
- Nothing for kids to do (as Killa says). Paranoia and scaremongering has pretty much confined kids to the house.
- Bureaucracy in a social-care syetem that has a myriad agencies and departments yet still couldn't do anything to prevent this.
If you can't see how any of what has happened here is a reflection on society then you need to wake up. |
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It is abundantly clear that the attackers' home situation has made them capable of such an attack.
From what I've heard, violence was a daily constant, probably one of the few constant aspects of their lives. Their father regularly abused them and their mother, they were regularly exposed to violent and ponographic films. It was pretty much all they knew, not unsuprising that they chose that to do when they were bored.
I doubt they have had much compassion or empathy in their entire lives, hence are unable to operate with any themselves.
I don't hate these kids, however vile they may be, I pity them. Their life is unimaginably horrendous.
It is not society's fault that they are like this, it is their parents, and probably their parents before them. Is society at fault? in part , yes, but I doubt it is the major factor.
Cutting benefits probably would not have helped in this situation - the children would only have suffered more.
Sterilisation is, IMO, the most effective solution to culling the underclass. Everyone gets to have two kids, and if they cannot show an ability to support those two children, then they are sterilised, to prevent pointless and harmful procreation.
Of course this is so massively in contravention to 'human rights' that it would never happen. |
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The brothers will no doubt be given new names, but they'll not go back to their family. Social services are going to be all over them now, that family is going to get howked apart faster than a fat man sat down.
What Skluff said is true, all of those points he outlined serve to enforce a way of life. Personally, I think the parents should be imprisoned for child cruelty, what those kids did was inexcusable and they should absolutely be made to pay for it, but their parents should also be made to shoulder some of the responsibility for being irredeemably shit human beings.
Those kids are just a product of their surroundings, in no way is that an excuse, I don't think it even mitigates what they did. It does credit other factors with a certain responsibility though.
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