Rear pads & shoes badly Worn

[sparkywilliam...]

Hi,
Local motorbike garage advised me that my rear wheel's pads and shoes are very badly worn and said they could do it for ?311!
I'm new to bikes but not to doing mechanical jobs myself albeit normally on cars but can anyone tell me:
Is it fairly easy to do?
Rough cost involved?
Is it covered in the YBR125 Haynes manual and if so i will purchase one.

(My bike is a 2007 with 13k on the clock.)

My bike seems to brake well so i would not have known this so i guess they are being helpful in pointing this out.

Any help appreciated.

[Nb]

311 pounds! Jesus, you can probably get the parts yourself and save about 250 pounds. The haynes manual will cover brake replacement, if you can do a set of car pads then a bike is very easy.
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[neil.]

Erm... the YBR doesn't use pads on the back brake as it's a drum brake, so it has shoes. They last bloody ages, trust me. I just swapped mine over because they were getting old (23'000 miles/4 years on them) and had glazed over, although I probably could have roughened them up a bit with emery paper and reused them - still plenty of friction material left.

There's an easy way to tell how worn the shoes are - look at the drum itself, on the exhaust side, and there's a little pointer (2) that will move when you press the brake pedal. Push the pedal down with your hand and look at the pointer. As long as it isn't pointing to the wear limit indicator (1) (which is on the left) of the scale, you're fine.

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...and yes it's all covered in the Haynes book, well worth getting. Sounds like that garage is trying to rip you off... ?311 for taking the back wheel off and changing brake shoes which you can buy for ?10-15 (and should last ages), which is an hour or so work...
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[Rockhopper]

But if the drum is badly worn new shoes will be no good then you are looking at getting the drum refaced or replaced depending on the design Might mean a new wheel.

[Kickstart]

Hi

True if the drum is badly worn, but that isn't likely.

Most likely is as mentioned above. Shoes are cheap and won't take long to change.

Don't believe the pointer as there is little top stop the unscrupulous moving it round on the splines to either make it look like the shoes are fine when they aren't when selling a bike (or the other way round when wanting some work).

All the best

Keith
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[sparkywilliam...]

Thanks all.
I've taken a picture of the wear indicator with my hand hard on the footpedal....does it look like the shoes are ok?

They advised me i needed this job doing after fitting a pair of michelon pilot sporty tyres for ?140 and said they could hear something and said the drum and shoes would need replacing.
Whats strange is the bike brakes fine.
The previous owner was a big lad so is it likely his weight would cause wear of the drum like this? its only doe ?13k miles.

I guess the best thing is for me to get a Haynes and open it up and have a look.would that be fair comment?

[Kickstart]

Hi

Suspect those shoes are fine for a fair bit longer.

If they are saying the drum of warped then it sounds like they are quoting you for a new wheel. You can get the refinished if lightly warped. However if this was the case you would feel the rear brake pulsing in use, and if braking lightly you would feel it judder.

Doubt the weight of the previous owner would make any difference at all.

All the best

Keith
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[sparkywilliam...]

Thanks for all your advice chaps,ive got Haynes manual and will let you know if garage were fibbing or not!

[mchaggis]

If they're telling you they need replaced just because they can hear something, then they've probably just not adjusted the brake properly after putting it all back together again..

Drum brakes are a walk in the park on those wee things - if you've ever serviced a handbrake on a car, it's about 50 times easier than that...
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[Noxious89123]

?300+ sounds like a right rip off!

I had 2 new brake discs and an entire new set of pads and fitting for less than that!
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[Vincent]

It sounds like the garage are definately trying to rip you off, you should put their name on here for future reference. I would say it should be about ?70 all in and possibly less. If you're local, I'll do it for a packet of fags and the price of the new pads.

As mentioned above, the wear indicator is not a trusted way of determining the condition of the pads as they get moved. If the drum had been worn out of shape, which I doubt, you would feel it "pulsing" when braking.

[Mark65]

Sound like rip off merchants, i have new pads for the front in my garage ?13 from yamaha but i have loads left on original pads still, rear pads are like new as they only get used in wet or emergancy stop situations. But they are very easy to service or replace. You should name and shame these conmen.
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[TUG]

i suspect a rim would set you back a heafty penny then ?50-?60 an hour labour? But fail to justify that charge, if its just a rim swap then i doubt it would take me long to do, the longest bit would be to have the tire swapped or gettin the shoes back in place.
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[LeeR]

Just had a look on eBay and a drum is £85 and the shoes are £14, I reckon an hours labour (2 max) + VAT = £200
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[sparkywilliam...]

It was Poole Motorcycles,they are a Yamaha Dealer.
They seemed alright to me but I'm afraid to go back to them now.

[Mark65]

If that price was just for shoes and labour then its a rip off, however if you do need a wheel, 2min on ebay for a start £57


https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-YBR125-YBR-125-REAR-WHEEL-07-B493_W0QQitemZ260523511387QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item3ca8694e5b

delivered and about £16 for shoes, £10 to change tyres if needed and the rest is a peice of piss to do yourself . I had never taken a wheel of a motorcycle till i had to changee my tyres and it took me 20 min.

Mark
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[paddlesat16]

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Do yourself a favour and take the back wheel off and have a look. And make your own mind up, and while your at it clean your chain and readjust etc. Get yourself familiar with your ride. besides you've taken the first step to reducing the stealers income by buying the haynes manual.
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[Imonster]

£311 for that?! Jesus, I'm pretty much mechanically inept but can do that job meself. If you know your way around cars you'll be fine. Order the parts from Wemoto or similar and go for it - you'll be right!
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[stinkwheel]

Wow. A drum brake scored beyond redemption in 13k miles.

Remind me to never buy a Yamaha with drum brakes. I'd be fairly grumpy about having to replace a set of shoes within that time framem never mind the whole wheel.

Although for an OEM wheel and pads, the price the franchised dealer is quoting you isn't excessive as he can only do you genuine yamaha spares bought through Yamaha UK.

I'd suggest you either a) Get the parts yourself or b) Go to a non franchised motorcycle mechanic who has been recommended to you by someone you trust.

That's because it is a rip off.

Not the dealer trying to rip you off, he's just passing on the prices he has to pay. The entirety of the "official" OEM spares market for both motorcycles and cars is a rip off and in my oppinion, should be circumvented at every possible oppertunity.

As far as I'm concerned, non-consumable spare parts for any vehicle should be sold at something like cost +10 to 15%. Anything more is profiteering from a monopoly. It is also profiteering from someone elses misfortune because they will only need these parts if they have a) Crashed or b) Worn out or c) Not been made very well in the first place.

You can tell it's a massive rip-off. If it wasn't. Breakers wouldn't be able to turn a profit from buying brand new motorcycles to dismantle and sell off as spare parts.

The consumables market looks after itself through market forces and competition from pattern parts manufacturers.
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[Mark65]

[Frost]

I say just put some new shoes in and use it. The scoring might mean that the shoes take a little longer to bed in, they only need to stop you rolling backwards.

[Kickstart]

[Mark65]

Would the bike manufacturers not realize that if the bikes and parts were cheaper more people would buy them?. And so more profit.

Mark
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