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chip
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 01 Feb 2010    Post subject: evnin... Reply with quote

hi everyone im new here and currently in the process of getting my licence done, i am currently running a cbr125 and hope to obviously get something bigger when i pass, but i have a few options, i either just do my test on the 125 and get a restricted licence for 2 yrs, but if i do this can any suggest a bike smaller than 33bhp?

but if i do go for my direct acess then i obviously goto get me a bigger bike for the test which would mean i would have to sell the 125 to create funds for a bigger bike but i dont really want to do this just incase i fail then im stuck with no bike lol so does anyone know if theres anywhere that hire out bikes? or do the test centre supply bikes?

i did used to have a vfr400r nc24 which was my pride and joy and spent a lot of cash on including a full fairing set and got them sprayed bright yellow, looked like a new bike but sadly got stole out of rear yard when it was drying out after just being washed

anyways any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

cheers
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 01 Feb 2010    Post subject: welcome Reply with quote

hello chip and welcome,
my advice would be if you're old enough to do the DAS do it,
you can use the training school big bikes to practice on and take your tests on , then if you pass sell the 125 and get something bigger.
If you don't use a training school and aim to do it all on your own you will have no choice except use your 125, because test centres don't supply bikes and you could not legaly ride a 500 with L plates to the centre.

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chip
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 01 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

now bike insurance to me is pretty cheap compared to what it cost me to insure a car, but what sort of insurance wold i be looking at for a restricted bike? say a 600 for example

i usualy go on gocompare for quick quote ideas but it doesnt give this option and i cant be bothered phoning around just to enquire so if anyone is running a restricted bike, what are you paying for insurance

thanks for the reply

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PostPosted: 20:39 - 01 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chip wrote:
now bike insurance to me is pretty cheap compared to what it cost me to insure a car, but what sort of insurance wold i be looking at for a restricted bike? say a 600 for example

i usualy go on gocompare for quick quote ideas but it doesnt give this option and i cant be bothered phoning around just to enquire so if anyone is running a restricted bike, what are you paying for insurance

thanks for the reply

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how old are you chip? if you did DAS you wouldn't be restricted to 33bhp
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 01 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

im 24 , old enough for the das , its just if i fail and end up with no bike to use im fooked as its my only mode of transport as iv given up on cars as my insurance not only hit the roof but it knocked a plane out of the sky aswel haha
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 01 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chip wrote:
now bike insurance to me is pretty cheap compared to what it cost me to insure a car, but what sort of insurance wold i be looking at for a restricted bike? say a 600 for example

i usualy go on gocompare for quick quote ideas but it doesnt give this option and i cant be bothered phoning around just to enquire so if anyone is running a restricted bike, what are you paying for insurance

thanks for the reply

cheers


restricting a bike makes no difference to the insurance cost, they charge you as if it was standard.

I was 24 when i passed last year, and paid ?310 tpft on a cbr600f sport, the zx6r b1h 03 model was only ?350

cbr is a softer 600, the b1h being a beast of a 600, so yeh dirt cheap to insure tpft.

defo go with the das mate, i dont regret mine one bit
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PostPosted: 01:46 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon wrote:


restricting a bike makes no difference to the insurance cost, they charge you as if it was standard.


Codswallop.

Some companies do and have done. You have to claim it as a "modification" and I remember it put someones price up by around 300 quid.


As for insurance prices? Well I've never paid more than 500 quid a year TPF&T and that was on a Hornet 600 with 1 years NCB and being 18...

I assume you've driven cars before? Any car NCB? As a few companies will do like for like now unlike before so you can transfer the NCB to use on bike insurance Thumbs Up

There's a website, the bike insurer that will check different sites. Just do a mock up of a bike you'd like. a 600 anything. Cbr, R6, gsxr, Hornet, Bandit, Fazer, Sv650. Anything. A bike you like and do a mock up test.


And if you do the DAS, as far as I'm aware most companies will hire the bike (as part of the price package) during training and the test itself so no need to sell the bike. At least that's what it was like when I took my test 3 years ago... I'm pretty sure it's still the same.

Don't sell your bike, look around for companies that do provide bikes.

Also, the test for the restricted is the same as DAS. Just on a smaller bike.

Just do a bit of searching and it should be all good Smile

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PostPosted: 02:14 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

m0l0t0v wrote:
bacon wrote:


restricting a bike makes no difference to the insurance cost, they charge you as if it was standard.


Codswallop.

Some companies do and have done. You have to claim it as a "modification" and I remember it put someones price up by around 300 quid.


?300 more having it restricted?....
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PostPosted: 02:23 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do DAS.

All training schools will have bikes for you to use so there's no need to sell your 125 until you've passed your test and are looking to buy a bigger bike.
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PostPosted: 02:50 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon wrote:


?300 more having it restricted?....


Yup. Was around the time I was "restricted". Someone asked the person on the phone about saying the bike was restricted to 33bhp and they had to list it under engine "modifications" and it bumped up the price. Ludicrous, yes. But it happened.

I just never mentioned it to my insurers. Meh.

But yes, to the OP definately do DAS.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon wrote:
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?300 more having it restricted?....


Yep it makes the bike more valuable, unless they ask you do not declere it restricted it will cost you more.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like i will probs be goin with the DAS route, ino companys let you use there bike for the test but that if you do it through them aint it? im planning on doin it by my self aswel, save me abit of cash that way.

cheers for the feedback chaps, i suppose i can always catch bus for a bit lol
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chip wrote:
looks like i will probs be goin with the DAS route, ino companys let you use there bike for the test but that if you do it through them aint it? im planning on doin it by my self aswel, save me abit of cash that way.

cheers for the feedback chaps, i suppose i can always catch bus for a bit lol


you won't be able to do DAS yourself,
you don't have a 500cc bike to do it on or practice on, and even if you did you cannot legally ride it on the road without an instructor in radio contact, so you would need a van to take it to the test centre.
If you want to do DAS you will need to go to a riding school,
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ye the plan was to try and get a big bike for when its test time and hire a van to take it to the test centre but if im unable to get a big bike then i will just stick with the restricted, seems the easiest root at the mo
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insuring your own bike for the test won't be cheap. The cost of renting a van and insuring your own bike will be more expensive than hiring one from the training school.

And I don't think your test being the first time riding your bike is a good idea, you'll have a better chance of passing if you use one of the training school bikes that you're used to.

Don't go for the restricted license because you will regret it. People only do the restricted license because they're not old enough to do DAS.

Oh yeah, if you get a restricted license then there will also be the expense of restricting your bikes, about ?150-200 from a dealer if you get an FI International kit, or cheaper if you can find somewhere that will restrict your bike without an FI International kit.

Restricted isn't the easiest route in the long term view as it will work out to be more expensive and more hassle. Go to a training school and do your DAS. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

restricted is shit mate.

You have to PAY to have it RESTRICTED. All the time your on your bike you will feel CASTRATED. No one else will know your RESTRICTED - but YOU WILL!

Or be a 'rebel' and don't restrict your bike, but if a copper finds out they will try and fuck you over. So will your insurance company if you crash.

Either way it will be two long years.

Or do your A2, enjoy it for a bit, and when you've got enough cash do the accelerated access scheme so that you can have any bike you want.

But why bother being restricted when you can do the das?

DO THE DAS!
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wonder why people ask for advice, it is given to them (in a clear cut way) yet ignore it and do what they were doing to do in the first place! Laughing


The money you will pay on having the bike restricted and what you have to pay more in insurance will probably be MORE than just going for the DAS! Use their bikes. It'll be cheaper and less to worry about.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

oks im gona do the das, get me a gsxr600 or a ninja Cool
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon wrote:

?300 more having it restricted?....


The reason being, i imagine, that the particular underwriter that was quoting originally would not provide a quote for the "restricted"/modified version of the bike, so the broker (who probably had a range of underwriters quoting for the policy) chose the next most expensive underwriter instead (whose price may or may not have changed), at ?300 difference.

To get a rough guide price, i second the idea of The Bike Insurer (remember to use a false phone number because i have heard they can spam despite never having had a problem myself), but of course don't click through and actually buy any of the policies in your case because it will not include the mess-up your restrictor can cause.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 12 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
People only do the restricted license because they're not old enough to do DAS.



Sorry, chap - have to correct you there. The GHOSAY WICBY bunch like me go for the restricted a2 because we worry about taking the test on a big bike with our osteoporosis and colostomy bags.
I only took my test because I had a few days with nowt to do so bagged a cancellation theory test, then a cancellation module 1 & then a cancellation module 2 (all on my 125). I would have been happy to keep commuting on my ikkle Varadero 125. As it happens I then spotted an already restricted Fazer and thought "why not??". 33bhp is still a lovely revelation compared to 15 (which is what a varadero has) but having binned the Fazer before xmas and only recently getting the cast off I'm in no desperate rush for the "missing" 62 bhp.
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