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Blue_SV650S
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Front brake switch Reply with quote

Are trail bikes exempt from needing a front brake light switch for an MOT?? Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
iirc, if it was made after 1986, then for each working brake there should be a working stop light,
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

have a look here https://www.ukmot.com/bike_1-3.asp#Text_top
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tape up all your lights, job done. All you need is a plate and a horn for an MOT. There's also no such thing as a daylight MOT - you'll get a normal MOT with an advisory saying that no lights were fitted at the time of test.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
an advisory notice (or a note on the actual mot cert) stating that "the vehicle may only be used during daylight" or "not to be used at times of reduced visabilty" IS what most people refer to as a "daytime mot"
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https://www.ukmot.com/bike_1-1.asp#Text_top
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
hi,
an advisory notice (or a note on the actual mot cert) stating that "the vehicle may only be used during daylight" or "not to be used at times of reduced visabilty" IS what most people refer to as a "daytime mot"
cheers,
GAZ
https://www.ukmot.com/bike_1-1.asp#Text_top


Never had a note on the MOT, just the usual advisory sheet which can just 'disappear' leaving the usual MOT certificate.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pressume you talking about your WR, which do not have a front brake light switch.

Mine dosent have one, and its been through 3 MOT's.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

wheely wrote:
Mine dosent have one, and its been through 3 MOT's.


It shouldn't have gone through (but then loads of things squeeze through).

https://www.ukmot.com/bike_1-3.asp#Text_top

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Stop lamps may operate in conjunction with either the front or the rear brake, or both. On machines first used on or after 1 April 1986, the stop lamps must operate by the application of each system.


All the best

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PostPosted: 12:24 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but the Yamaha WR is a road legal bike, and it isn't manufactured with a front brake light switch.

So we are expected to modify the original bike to get it through an MOT ?
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

More likely that it isn't strictly road legal.

Lighting rules:-

https://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_17.htm#nsch12

Quote:

10. Electrical connections-

(a) Every stop lamp fitted to-

(i) a solo motor bicycle or a motor bicycle combination first used on or after 1st April 1986 shall be operated by the application of every service brake control provided for the use of the rider;


Looks like if you wanted to you could take it back to the original dealer as not fit for purpose if you felt like being awkward Wink .

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PostPosted: 15:28 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
hi,
an advisory notice (or a note on the actual mot cert) stating that "the vehicle may only be used during daylight" or "not to be used at times of reduced visabilty" IS what most people refer to as a "daytime mot"
cheers,
GAZ
https://www.ukmot.com/bike_1-1.asp#Text_top


my new gasser with a fresh mot just had an advisery not say "no lights fitted at time of test"

nothing mentioned on the mot at all
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PostPosted: 06:03 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
Are trail bikes exempt from needing a front brake light switch for an MOT?? Thinking

Yes and No ... It depends if you want to ride it at night or not.
And this applys to any bike (I rode my R6 for over a month with no lights at all (after a track day) ... a bit of a silly thing to do i will admit, but the bike looked great with race plastics and it was summer. Got fed up with being pulled by the rozzers though .. so changed it sharpish.

I have extensive experience of this minefeild:

You do not need lights for an MOT .... BUT:
1) If there are no lights fitted then they will (should) enter a note in the system (doesnt matter if you 'lose the sheet') that "No lights fitted at time of test".
That means that you are not allowed to ride the bike at night or in reduced visibility.
2) If there are lights fitted at time of MOT, then they all need to be working correctly.
Rear light ... with rear AND front brake.
Front light with hi and low beam.

As mine only half work (no front brake switch) ... I have to tape up my lights (duct tape .. then rip off as you ride away) and switch gear every year for the MOT.

OR, do what I have done recently and befriend the tester Wink Thumbs Up
Having said that ... just because my bike now has a 'full' MOT, if I get caught riding at night with no front brake switch ... then its my fault and me that gets done for having defective lights.
If they are fitted then they need to work.

The very basics for an MOT are:
Obvious things like legal tyres and safe brakes and structural etc etc.
A legal number plate.
A working electric horn.
You dont even need a rear reflector if no lights fitted.
Thats it.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ta Thumbs Up

Although my WR doesn't have a front switch (making it a bit dodgy that a dealer gave it a full cert before selling it to me!! Shocked) I am actually getting the KTM up and running ... that too has no front brake switch ... Sad

I am thinking that pressure operated banjo bolts are the easiest way forward??? Thinking ... shame I have to 'disturb' the brake lines to do so mind ... that generally causes a bit of a PITA Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The pressure switches are probably the easiest way to go unless the master cylinder is shared with other bikes and is set up with a position for a conventional switch (possible if it is a Brembo m/c on the KTM).

Quite a few Italian bikes use the pressure switches as standard.

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:59 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:

I am thinking that pressure operated banjo bolts are the easiest way forward??? Thinking ... shame I have to 'disturb' the brake lines to do so mind ... that generally causes a bit of a PITA Crying or Very sad

Depending on your handguard / handlebar setup ... there are 2 types of banjo pressure switch that you can use.

Right one that mounts from the front and replaces the bolt.
But it sticks out a bit and may require you to cut some plastic away from the guards.

Left one that replaces the banjo ring and mounts from the side !
Sticks out less!

https://www.mrmotorcycles.co.nz/images/oil%20pressure%20switch.jpg

Have a look at what space you have / how you wish to mount it .. and my local shop stocks both if you need:
https://www.motoward.co.uk/
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just seen these responses ... but not before I had been out 'shopping' Very Happy

As it happens I had picked a DRC pressure switch (like the one on the right) off the shelf at a bike shop today. Thumbs Up

The threaded/banjo bit was a fair bit longer than the one that came out; but went in and sealed, so I presume it doesn't matter it was longer?!!? Confused

Anyway .. it is all in and fitted, I checked with a multimeter and it DOES switch under pressure ... Cool ... (can't check for real as the engine is off being fixed) ... but I have just noticed that under the price tag from the shop, the actual DRC label says 'Oil Pressure Switch # D45-71-282" Doh!

Will that matter?!!?!? Confused Confused Confused

Anyway, the KTM banjo actually comes out the BACK of the master cylinder, so it fits quite nicely ... see pics of it fitted Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 17:20 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Honestly don't know. While it wouldn't surprise me if the liquid makes no difference, I would expect a brake switch to need to put up with far higher pressures than an oil pressure switch (eg, 200~300psi for brake pressure, 60~100 psi for oil).

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:41 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
I have just noticed that under the price tag from the shop, the actual DRC label says 'Oil Pressure Switch # D45-71-282" Doh!

Will that matter?!!?!? Confused Confused Confused

No.

I asked the same question in the bike shop ... and got the usual look that I get when I ask overly worried and unsure questions ... which in emoticons looks like = Rolling Eyes Laughing Very Happy Smile Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

silky666 wrote:
Blue_SV650S wrote:
I have just noticed that under the price tag from the shop, the actual DRC label says 'Oil Pressure Switch # D45-71-282" Doh!

Will that matter?!!?!? Confused Confused Confused

No.

I asked the same question in the bike shop ... and got the usual look that I get when I ask overly worried and unsure questions ... which in emoticons looks like = Rolling Eyes Laughing Very Happy Smile Laughing


yet again Mr Silky666 ... you are just a few seconds too slow!! Laughing

I looked at the DRC website for specs .... ended up downloading their catalogue https://www.drcproducts.com/download/pdf/2010_dirtfreakEbook.pdf (warning that is ~26mb) ... on page 85 is said 'Oil' switches and it states ...

"
- Oil pressure switch for brake light.
- Available in "bolt" or "banjo" type. depending on your machine.
"


So we are good to go Thumbs Up Cool
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