The Universe - Again

[Misc]

If the universe has always existed then what does this say? Surely us humans living
such a 'normal' life with daily routines doesn't match up with what's going on outside at all.
I know we've adapted & it's all we know but how can something so complicated that goes
beyond human comprehension be so simple? We go to work, come home & sleep.

It seems that there was this huge build up, billions of years of evolving & extinction only to
lead this dull boring life. Surely this wasn't what it's meant to be like? But off course, this is all we know.

Big Bang or no Big Bang, i don't see how something can happen from nothingness, The way i see it is
an air tight room that's 100% free of any particles & dust, if you left it for billions of years, that room
would still be free of anything because there's nothing to develop from.

Then they say the universe may have always existed, but surely this goes beyond human comprehension because
i can never get my mind around something that has always existed which we didn't make.
If time before we knew it never had a beginning then it baffles me so much that i really don't know what to say.

I guess it just seems like Earth is like someone leaving a million pounds on the floor with no strings attached & no note from who it's from. (Bad example i know)
It just seems to good to be true & that our planet is the perfect place for living, perfect distance from the sun & nothing
out of the ordinary ever happens even tho we're a tiny spec in an unknown universe.

I've got an open mind & don't laugh when someone mentions a 'creator' & you don't need proof because proof is everywhere you look.
Proof is the universe we can only see through a telescope & that's not even the beginning to what's out there. So we cannot judge
on something we know very little about.

I'm not too good with these sort of posts so sorry for the lack of scientific terms & my lack of knowledge on the subject in general. Stephen Hawking's, watch out.

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Humans are an insignificant speck in the universe - as much as we'd like to believe we are the pinnacle of evolution, we are not. The human race will evolve and become extinct in the blink of the universe's eye, after all it's been around for about 13.7 billion years already. To the universe we are nothing, a fluke that's happened on a lonely planet somewhere. We only exist through a series of incredibly lucky circumstances and events. We'll rise and fall and the universe won't notice.

I suppose we do our routines as we exist on a micro scale, not on a scale of the universe.

As far as the vacuum room, matter is appearing and disappearing all the time. Who says the big bang came from nothing? There could be an infinite number of proceeding universes, or we might just be a part of a multiverse. The earth is probably nothing special, there could be plenty of other populated planets inhabited by far more evolved creatures.

So in short we are nothing, no matter what our human ego would lead us to believe.

[ms51ves3]

I thought this was going to be a BCF broke thread

[Ariel Badger]

It may be a little simpler if you try to regard the universe as a nine dimensional toroid viewed in a infinite amount of six dimensional curved mirrors or radio receivers.

Edit
This may help
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[The Original Muzza]

My R.E teacher used to ask us if there wasn't a greater power then how come OUR world is so perfectly balanced etc. That's not the way I view it.

We exist BECAUSE of our position in space, atmosphere and circumstance, not the other way round. There are infinite possibilities of variables to determine the composition, atmosphere and life on a planet, but it just so happens the universe has infinite planets and solar systems to play with. Monkeys, typewriters etc. By this theory I can assume that there MUST be another planet with sustained life on it somewhere, whether or not that life is intelligent or not is undeterminable. Perhaps none of the dominant races of these planets and our own will ever advance far enough to reach each other. Perhaps there are 2 within shuttle distance on the same orbital plane, again by random infinite chance.

It would depress me to find out there WAS a divine creator, as then I couldn't admire the beauties of the universe in the same way. If a pattern is made by pure chance or necessity then it is wondrous. If it's just some giant ghostly prick arranging his legos then it's about as wondrous as a Guinness black shit.
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[The Artist]

We have finite minds meaning we are not capable or thinking fully outside the box e.g. we can't think of absolutely nothing.

Therefore this thread is pointless. It is like a retard trying to work out a very hard maths equation, that he will never be able to solve but doesn't realise this and keeps trying.

[Misc]

We are insignificant to the universe & Earth probably did get very lucky but these series of lucky events that created earth just happened to occur inside the universe, so what made the universe? Was this another series of lucky events because it seems like we've had a good run of lucky streaks when it comes to these events.

With these proceeding universes, they must serve a purpose because it'd be easier to understand if the universe was a black void, but it's full of stuff that just so happens to be a perfect recipe for creating anything you can think of.

I'd also see it as inserting a blank CD into your PC but it already has software on, no one knows where this software came from but that's irrelevant so let's just say it was always there. We won't question the person who made the CD that the software was on & we won't question the person that created the person who created the person who created the CD etc. (yeah, another bad example lol)

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[Fortuna]

I also believe the universe has always existed.
Therefore every atom in the universe has always existed, for infinity backwards in time as well.
Big bang or not it has always existed, and was never created. It just has always been and will always be.

[Phoenix]

[Frost]

Humanity is utterly insignificant.

Typical galaxies range from dwarfs with as few as ten million[3] (107) stars up to giants with one trillion(10^12) stars, all orbiting the galaxy's center of mass.

There are probably more than 170 billion (1.7 × 10^11) galaxies in the observable universe.

Assuming our solar system is average in containing 8 planets, that makes:
800000000000000000000000 planets in the known universe.

[smegballs]

Cool pics.

I've always found pics of galaxies total headfucks. I mean looking at stars in our galaxy is comprehensible: its a star like our sun just a long long way away.

But looking at a whole galaxy in one go! Full of countless stars... Yet it looks so small... I find it amazing

[chris-red]

You are all thinking way to much of yourselfs, imagine trying to explain simple algerbra to a poodle, that is like somebody trying to explain our place in the universe to us, you will hear noise, tilt your head then go and piss on a tree and probably roll in it. Our brains are far to small to understand.

and another one of those brilliant pictures

https://kilo.nncdn.com/nn/0/287/995/353424.jpg
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[D O G]

Sometimes it seems that the universe is conveniently incomprehensibly vast.

Almost if it is a challenge too large for us to try and understand or 'know' it fully.

On the face of it it is such an outstandingly large 'thing' that it seems impossible that it has come out of nothing. Maybe that very simplistic view is correct.

Personally, I'm not satisfied with either the Big Bang theory or the fact it has simply existed forever. I can't see a logical argument how either could be the truth.

Then again, I'm not a theoretical physicist.

Did anyone see Horizon last night? I only saw some of it in the breaks of that equally highbrow programme, Midsomer Murders, but I'll be watching it on iPlayer in a bit all about the consequences and theory of infinity, and an infinite universe.

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[Misc]

What if we weren't that insignificant tho? Sure in terms of size we are very insignificant, but what about in terms of life? What if Earth is the only planet in our solar system with life? What if this was the same with all the other galaxies were you had just one planet that got lucky with the right distance. If you add up all the planets, yes we're miniscule & insignificant but if you add up all the planets with life, would we really look that small? Further more, if you add up all the planets with life that are advanced that filters it down some more. I'm sure you can filter it to the point of making us seem even more insignificant.

Sure there's life out there but what if we are the only forms of life that evolved to this extent. Like people have said, we were created by a series of VERY lucky sequences, does this mean that every planet with life had the same lucky sequences because if they did, it seems an awful lot of luck was handed out to this universe.

Just because the universe is stupidly big & we a small spec, does that mean we're not important? Does a King or Queen seem less important because they're surrounded by billions of humans.

I'm not trying to argue my point that we are important but the above is just questioning really.

[Hetzer]

Remove time and space from the equation and everything is a lot easier to understand. Assuming time and space are real will always lead the human mind down the garden path. It leads always to the belief that everything has to have a start and an end, and if it doesn't it must be infinite. Hogwash. There is no such thing as infinity.

Reality is an eternal state, and inevitably so. It hasn't always been, because 'always' implies a span of time (an infinite one). It just is.

And this universe is something we knocked up for shits and giggles.
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[JohnDoe]

Image the distance between your finger and your keyboard is a real value that you can see. You can get infinitely close to something (Asymptote) with out touching it, right? You can be .01 mm away, .001 mm, .0001mm and this process goes on forever as long as you add one more zero between 1 and the decimal. However, what happens when you touch it? You are 0 mm away. You went though an infinite amount of smaller numbers just to get to 0. In the same way you get to 3 by going through all numbers before it (1 and 2), you get to 0 by going through an infinite amount of numbers. Therefore, 0 is infinity.
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[Frost]

No 0 is an Integer, no single integer is infinite. You can get infinitely close to something like 0.99999 reccuring is infinitely close to 1 but that doesn't make 1 itself infinite.

[Mondeo Man]

OP - nice to see someone else is as baffled by the 'cosmos' as me.

I find myself often looking up at the sky thinking, "what the hell is this...?" whilst those around me fiddle with their text messaging etc.

I know in terms of the 'big bang' there is the 'multiverse theory. That the big bang is the moment a black hole 'seeds' a new universe. In other words, our universe itself is one of perhaps an endless number...

However, this doesn't settle the question, how did it all start (where did that mother universe come from ).

I honestly think it is one of those questions, where however smart you are, however informed you are, we're all condemned to boyish wonder.

Humans aren't actually that special. We think we are, becuase we are deceived by our own freak conscious (life that is aware of itself). Consciousness is really by degree: all creatures are to a degree, and we're not as conscious as we could be (there's lots going on that we're simply blind to: i.e we have a limited scope for hearing, sight, awareness: there's a whole world in front of us that we can't actually perceive).

In terms of the cosmos, not only does the human race, as it is today, not matter squat, but nor does any of our history or a future. We thin it does again, becuase of the freak evolution development of self awareness.

I think one has to disentangle the universe from humans. The universe is fascinating. Humans are not. The whole human race accounts to little more than a vibrating speck of dust in the scope of the universe.

[The Artist]

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