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manuka
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 12 Feb 2010    Post subject: Potholes Reply with quote

Last night my local news had a feature about the plight of potholes.
Apparently after our 'big freeze' winter, potholes have been cropping up all over the place. I understand they are caused by freezing and thawing in tarmac cracks.
I have noticed a massive increase in the number of potholes in the sides of the road on my morning bicycle commute.
Apparently my local council is proposing increasing the council tax rate, as each repair costs on average 70 pounds. They are concerned about the rebound costs of personal injury lawsuits crippling the council.
It would never have occurred to me to sue the council if I had an accident on my bicycle (or motorbike) as a result of a pothole, I would have put it down to bad-luck. Thanks for the tip calendar news Smile
I was curious to know if any other members had noticed a similar increase in road condition problems.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 12 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Err yeah Razz
Thats nature for yer.

You might also notice that in summer when we've had hot weather for a prolonged period that tar starts going runny.

Soz for the sarcasm.


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PostPosted: 20:54 - 12 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plenty of new holes round my way, the water gets in the crap or cheap road surfaces and expands when frozen and loosens the its structure, the cheap roads where they spray bitumen then cover with stones are falling apart, and are deadly on the corners.

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PostPosted: 22:16 - 12 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:57 - 14 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll notice most of these new potholes are around previous repairs, i.e. because they scrimped on previous repairs, cracks have appeared and the 'big freeze' has caused them to break up again.

It's always nice to see short sighted budget cuts coming back to bite the council on the arse (except we end up paying of course!).
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 15 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep the roads near me are a mess. All of the bodged repairs have broken up again.

Nothing we can really do about it apart from report them using fillthathole, and then sue when you go through them and crash/break somethng.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 15 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.fillthathole.org.uk

report em lads!
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 15 Feb 2010    Post subject: Re: Potholes Reply with quote

Plenty of people on here seem to think it's their right that the council which is paid for by local tax etc should reimburse them for damage done by such massive potholes they still somehow managed to ride through at speed.

It was obvious after the snow last February and again this year that it's really knackered the roads around here.
I used to work in Henley on Thames and they had an easier solution for some of the back roads around there - they put up 'failed road' signs and ignored them!
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 16 Feb 2010    Post subject: Re: Potholes Reply with quote

Princess Sunshine wrote:

I used to work in Henley on Thames and they had an easier solution for some of the back roads around there - they put up 'failed road' signs and ignored them!



I think it's safe to say that if Newham council started to take notice of that strategy, we'd be down to about three roads in pretty short order, all of them filled with psychotic minicab drivers.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 16 Feb 2010    Post subject: Re: Potholes Reply with quote

They didn't stop you going down them and they were permanent signs as you'd see normal road signs - up on the same poles etc.
Think it was just a "this road's knackered and we don't care" - oddly enough, this was around more of the old-terraced houses, I'd presume the streets with many £1m+ properties did better.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 16 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do that around here a lot too. The main B-road leading into my town has had a sign at either end saying "Temporary road surface" for the last five years.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 18 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same in my area (London/Wembley) Plenty of new potholes.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 18 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The road leading from my estate resembles something from Russia.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 18 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly, France as similar if not colder temperatures than we do and their motorways and trunk roads and town routes are excellently smooth
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 18 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
The road leading from my estate resembles something from Russia.


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PostPosted: 23:43 - 02 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were a couple on the M25 the other day. Made me pay attention!
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 03 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

pretty sure these potholes will be here for a gd wee while, i have remembered where the worst ones are in my area but they are litterelly appearing within a week. at a crossroads near my college there were a few loose stones, then more stones, now itsa huge fucking hole due to the massive ammount of bus/truck and car traffic going through the crossroads. i spotted the loose stones last wedensday and hit the hole on monday.

as said earlier the repairs are pretty much just bodge repairs, to fix the road properly they have to strip away most of the top layer and do it over again.

what is also causing problems is having all the cabling/manhole covers etc on the road rather than on the pavements. in lanzarote (used to live there) they had all that crap under the pavements so they never dug up the roads again after laying it down. if they had to re-dig the stuff up it was pedestrians inconveniance, not drivers.
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 03 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:32 - 03 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8529964.stm
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 06 Jun 2010    Post subject: SLDC Reply with quote

Friend of mine drove his land rover into a pothole so deep it burst the tyre. He complained to the council and asked to be compensated.

The very next day the hole had been filled and he was told there was no hole so he couldn't be compensated...
Seemingly someone had been paid quite a bit to fix that crack very very early in the morning.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 06 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are alot of them around here. The two roads either end of my street are riddled with them to the point where I won't use one of them lol.

Alot of them have been sprayed blue with cans of spraypaint. Whether or not that means it's due to be fixed or a warning I don't know.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 06 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: SLDC Reply with quote

As far as I know they don't have to compensate people if it's the first time they have been told - and personally I'm glad it's that way. I don't want my council tax money paying people that haven't seen a hazard so big it damages their vehicle.
I also don't want them sending people out to constantly drive the roads with camera cars to analyse the surface.
However, if they have been told then get another complaint, I believe at that point they do have to offer compensation.

So their actions make sense.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 06 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: SLDC Reply with quote

Greenchills wrote:
Friend of mine drove his land rover into a pothole so deep it burst the tyre.

Why did he do that? Confused
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 06 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: SLDC Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Greenchills wrote:
Friend of mine drove his land rover into a pothole so deep it burst the tyre.

Why did he do that? Confused


Country lane; not enough room to move sideways, but not a particularly fast driver, the hole was just huge.

I don't think it's absurd at all to compensate someone if the road is in such a bad state of repair that even a landrover can't handle it. I know several times I've hit holes, not even at a high speed, that have given me such a jolt I was worried my wheels were deformed.
Especially where people move about in rural areas, the roads can bend and rise and fall in ways that conceal gaping caverns until the last moment. Even more so where the surface undulates across the width with akward tree roots thrown in that are difficult to see. Obviously not always, but once or twice is enough to cause some serious damage that can be very expensive to anyone cash strapped.

There is a wider problem with the way the road system was initially built, the system that became standard relied on a quick skim surface instead of a deep foundation design that is a much more durable, albeit almost prohibitibly expensive method. This has led to quickly degrading roads that last a few years at best and in the long term winds up more expensive.

The daft method of sending teams to fill holes is so short term it's ridiculous. They just pop out in a few months. Once there is a significant weakness in the surface the whole strip has to be relayed or it all falls to bits. Time and again.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 06 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or fix my street - you can report all sorts of problems "like graffiti, fly tipping, broken paving slabs, or street lighting" abandoned vehicles / etc. The local council does seem to act on this stuff quite quickly.
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