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PostPosted: 01:54 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Can anyone else see this cock up? Reply with quote

Kawasaki microfiche Vs Kawasaki Workshop Manual
USD forks

https://i47.tinypic.com/2yv564i.jpg

https://i48.tinypic.com/30lcpvp.jpg
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PostPosted: 02:08 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

well its hard not to, when you lay it out in front of us like that
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PostPosted: 02:18 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the people on the zxr400 forums are having a shitload of trouble trying to see it LOL

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PostPosted: 04:44 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fail to see the difference other than the microfiche diagram is placed side by side rather than all inline, no doubt to save space on the microfiche. The parts are all the same and they're in the same order.
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PostPosted: 04:59 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

whoever put those together has put the washer and plastic bit the other side of the tubey bit. thats the only thing i can see thats different in the pictures.

the manual and microfiche show the same parts in the same order, but as said above, side by side in onw to save space Smile
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The function of the pictures on the parts fiche are to make it easier to identify part numbers. It shouldn't be used as an assembly guide but having said that, the diagram makes perfect sense anyway. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just looks like the microfiche diagram has been elongated.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Agree with Phoenix. Both show exactly the same thing. Just that the fiche is showing it as 2 columns, so you go down the first column then down the 2nd column.

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PostPosted: 12:40 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone had only seen the workshop manual and tried to put the forks together, they would have screwed up their forks.

the workshop manual is very misleading and wrong
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope as said manual and micro fiche are the same (albeit fiche is side by side ) so if you can follow a diagram correctly then there would be no problem.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i cant even begin to guess how you misenterpreted the drawing.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I being dense it looks fine to me, looks like the person took built the fork in a photo has never followed a manual before.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Agreed, and would say if you put it together according to the fiche photograph (rather than as the fiche and manual say) then the plastic supporting bush (looks like it is there to support the damper rod half way along its length) and washer are going to be useless.

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PostPosted: 15:15 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Re: Can anyone else see this cock up? Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Can anyone else see this cock up?

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PostPosted: 15:19 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess its hard to see where its wrong unless you can see the diameters of each part.

Nothing will fit over the outer tube, the plastic spacer bit is supposed to just cover the end of the tube.

at least this thread shows who can see these diagrams in 3D Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worst was my Yamaha TDM service manual, One of the bushes in my forks (holds the oil seal at the bottom) just wasn't in it. It wasn't on the microfiche either I went you yamaha trying to get a new one and they told me it didn't exist Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Nothing will fit over the outer tube, the plastic spacer bit is supposed to just cover the end of the tube.


Is it? Because neither the parts fiche or the workshop manual show that.

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PostPosted: 16:04 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at it this way

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/chris-red/2yv564i.jpg

Chris - smarter than all the ZXR400 owners, in the wooooooorld.


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PostPosted: 16:09 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

the parts dont fit in that way,

and i like how you moved bits to make it work.

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PostPosted: 16:13 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
the parts dont fit in that way,

and i like how you moved bits to make it work.

Rolling Eyes


Very Happy its funny that you just don't get it. Gotta love the strength of conviction through.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
the parts dont fit in that way,

and i like how you moved bits to make it work.

Rolling Eyes


I moved them into them into the same order as the workshop manual, so it might be easier to understand.

It is how you are suppose to read the mircofiche, look down the left tube them the bottom of that goes into the top of the right.

I'm pretty sure you are just being thick. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
the parts dont fit in that way,


Maybe not, but that is the way both the manual and the fiche images you have posted show it.

That you are not meant to jump between the column on the fiche to get the order right is far more obvious when you look at the full fiche which has the forks in 3 columns (if you tried it the fork spring would sit on top of the fork).

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:29 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

exploded diagrams are read linear, not staggered.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is how its done correctly, the way the microfiche shows.
Bear in mind that the 2nd column on the microfiche diagram shows what slides inside the outer sleeve, and dont forget they are USD forks.

https://www.zxrworld.co.uk/coppermine/albums/userpics/IMG_9815.JPG
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 19 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both diagrams are exactly the same. Look at Chris' post.
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