Racist Jokes

[smegballs]

Got me thinking from the iPhone thread....

Should they be perfectly fine and acceptable in an ideal world?

Personally I think they should be fine in magical happy land as they would have no racist intent behind them. I think it should be able to be taken in jest just like a joke directed toward hair colour, no-one really takes any offence as it is obviously not serious.

Obviously in the real world many people have their differing views and grievances and plenty of racist jokes have real racist intent behind them, which of course would make racism jokes to be generally unacceptable as they are being used with hurtful intent. This is of course without diving into the history of racial discrimination - a large and somewhat sensitive area in itself.

So going on the premise that "jokes about hair colour are seen as acceptable", would "jokes about skin colour" be acceptable in principle?

A good example of racial stereotyping being turned into humour was my friends "Black Card", he made himself a "Black Card" which was then turned into part of a act/sketch at opportune moments. Along the lines of "Wait wait! I'm disagreeing on this, *cue getting card out from wallet* sorry guys but I'm gonna have to play the black card....".

His reasoning was that the whole idea of racism was so stupidly laughable that the only thing to do was well to laugh at it and treat it with contemptible humour. This sentiment I agree with, but to be quite fair he told me that a lot of his family didn't see the funny side of his black card and actually thought it quite offensive.

Thoughts?

[Ste]

How do all racist jokes start?
With a quick look over your shoulder

What's black and begins with 'nig'?
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Before I start being offensive, I assume this thread is for posting crude, offensive, racist jokes that would make baby Jesus cry? I reckon that is the easiest way to see who thinks they're acceptable and who doesn't.

As to if they're acceptable or not, I'd say that comes down to if the person thinks that it's funny because it's true or if they think that it's funny because it's offensive and risque.

[soforene]

Nothing to see here.

[Devils Advocate]

Racist jokes?
Should they be acceptable?

I look at it like this.
If you want to make them in the company of your friends, and out of the earshot of the race youre mocking, i dont see a problem with it {although i do think people like that are sad fucks if they get amusement from ridiculing someones racial background}

If you want to make them towards people you dont know, and who dont know you either, then..no...it isnt acceptable in the slightest.

Its a no brainer really.If anyone thinks its acceptable to make these kind of jokes outside of their own social groups and friends network then clearly they have very little respect for other people and were raised by uneducated baboons in the dark recesses of society

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[bazza]

You'll need to do a proper risk assessment before reading the punchline, but I'm sure you'll agree on how racist this is:

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[Ste]

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[Ste]

Please don't avoid the question. Do the same rules apply for jokes about gingers or blondes? The fact you aren't ginger or blonde is completely irrelevant.

By your logic, does that mean it's okay for a black guy to be racist to a white guy, as whites aren't a group of people that have ever been harshly treated and abused for decades and countless generations due to the colour of their skin?

[GhostRider]

How about when people of a particular race make their own jokes about that race, take for example, Def Comedy Jam, Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle. Now they are getting on a fucking stage and saying this shit so that millions of people can hear it, certainly not amongst their close friends and social circle.

Should they be labelled as racist biggots? I mean, surely if anything they are encouraging this sort of behaviour?

Or could it simply be that most people have a fucking sense of humour and can tell when something is meant as a joke and when something has real hatred inherent within the 'joke'?

Smegballs' friends' "Black card", I'd imagine will see him getting his teeth punched out before long - theres no hint of a joke, regardless of whether he means it as such or not, he is just coming out randomly with a jibe against black peoples protests against racism - clearly it's meant as a joke to him, a very shit one I might add, but if you're going to try a be a comedian you need to think of your demographics reaction, and it's all about delivery really.

Besides, he states his justification as "the idea of racism is so stupidly laughable", now whilst I think what he means is that being racist in the first place is so stupid, but then that doesn't really work with what he is saying as he is pulling out this card.....

Not to mention its a fucking shit joke anyway.

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[Ste]

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[Ste]

You expect other people to show good manners but then you don't show good manners yourself.

Pot, kettle, black?

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[The Original Muzza]

If I had a black missus, after I was comfortable with her I'd probably give her ethnic digs. The same way I gave my missus digs about her origins.
Same for friends. I make jokes to my Southern American friend. Not too offensive mind but just little pokes that he can laugh at and leave everyone who isn't familiar with us very uncomfortabe. More recently, a Vietnamese acquaintance of mine (used to work together years ago) saw me in the university hallways and proceeded to jokingly use a minority joke to make me feel uncomfortable, and was in stitches that it just made me more open.
Wouldn't see it as OK to strangers unless it is the jokes subject using it to diffuse any racial insecurity between you.
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[Hetzer]

I believe racism is born of a 'higher' culture's fear of a 'lower' culture, as in "If they get to run the show our civilisation and comforts thereof are going straight down the crapper." Skin-colour just happens to be a coincidentally convenient way of recognizing many of those considered to be of a 'lower' culture.

As to what defines a 'lower' culture, it would seem that living in harmony with nature and not defiling and plundering it is considered 'lower'. Which actually means it's the higher culture in my opinion. Unless iPods really are better than Dream-Catchers.
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