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M1ke
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: 110mph in a 60mph limit Reply with quote

Apparently I have been caught doing 110MPH in a 70 limit.

I was tootling along on a dual carriageway on my way to keiths house, Some bikes over took me and I thought I might as well try keeping up.

About 6 mile up the road an unmarked pan european bike with flashing blue lights and a siren came shooting past me (probably doing 120-130) He didn't indicate for me to pull over so I assumed he was after the bikes in front of me who were going considerably quicker.

Anyway, to be on the safe side, I braked and did a u-turn so as not to go past the cop. I hid for about 20 minutes before carrying on my way. I caught up with the chap the policeman pulled (he was on a zx6) The guy said the policeman had me on video along with my name and address.

2 hours later I get a phone call on my mobile phone. Police man was at my house and wants me to go to police station at 3pm tomorrow. I got home and dad tells me the cop said he clocked me at 110mph, (I ride a cbr250, it hardly does 110). So i think i'm in the shit.


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PostPosted: 01:34 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neutral Neutral Neutral Good luck mate
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear that m1ke, where abouts were you? Good luck with tommorow anyway.
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PostPosted: 02:03 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently about 1 mile from market drayton (near the stormy bike meet)

I'm still not convinced about the speed though, wil be interested in seeing what evidence he has.
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

no chance - he didn't accurately gauge your speed by following you for any notable length of time - ie he didn't follow you, match his speed to yours or spend any time measuring the speed differential between his bike and yours whether or not he had the equipment on board to do so is another thing altogether.

The minimum distance to be measured through and pulled is something like just 200yards - did he tag/ tail you for at least 200 yards matching your speed etc? If not, he doesn't have enough evidence.

His evidence will no doubt consist of him guesstimating your speed when he came past you - not good enough.
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fingers crossed for ya dude. Never pleasant having speed cameras breathing down yer neck Sad Confused .
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

police cars have acurate ways of detrmining your speed. police bikes however i would have thought would need to follow you at the same speed your going at for a distance to prove your speed. if he overtook you then he was going quicker than you, so how the hell can he tell how fast you were going?
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, if he had been following you for a while would you have noticed, travelling at speeds like that I tend to be concentrating on what is in front of me not behind me anyway.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deny it, deny speeding at all. Say I was not aware of the speed I was doing, can you show me??

See how they clocked you.

I am sure they are sometimes reliant on you admitting it.
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

As T.C once said, the police do not need an accurate speed check on you, or even any evidence.

A police officers word is enough to do you for speeding, as long as he is convinced that you were over 70mph.
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

So having to do 120-130mpg to overtake mike would be enough to say he was doing 110? Confused
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was probably following for a bit matching his speedo to Mike's speed. (Their speedos are 100% accurate)

If it's unmarked, I guess Mike didn't see him without any blue lights or sirens on.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
As T.C once said, the police do not need an accurate speed check on you, or even any evidence.

A police officers word is enough to do you for speeding, as long as he is convinced that you were over 70mph.


this issue is that over 100 is a court order and a probable ban. there is no doubt in anybodies mind that m1ke was doing over 70, the issue is can they prove he was going over 100.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the police had to be able to prove some sort of speed trapping? They could not just say you were speeding.

Innocent until proven guilty surly? Confused
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

That will probably be hard to prove....it takes 2.5 miles for them to get an acurate speed from a moving speed camera. Unless he was behind you for a while?
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw on a police program the other day I guy was followed by an unmarked car, they measured his speed but charged him for the average. His top speed was about 107 but the average was just under 103 so they didn't take it to court (I think 103 was their cut off for some reason)
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaun wrote:
So having to do 120-130mpg to overtake mike would be enough to say he was doing 110? Confused


Didn't mike say he overtook him as if mike was standing still? In that case mike may have been going a lot slower than what we think. Confused
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you know that speed testing equipment has to be tested every day? Ask to see the calibration certificate, as you're sure you weren't going that fast.
If the copper can't produce it, you should be OK.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should tell themm that you tried to slow down but your dodgy brakes wouldn't let you Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
You should tell themm that you tried to slow down but your dodgy brakes wouldn't let you Laughing


Dare you!!! Wink
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neah, someone had straped a bomb to my bike and if I dropped below a certain speed it would go off Wink

On a more serious note the throttle cable jammed open so i couldnt slow down.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

sv_cath wrote:
Did you know that speed testing equipment has to be tested every day? Ask to see the calibration certificate, as you're sure you weren't going that fast.
If the copper can't produce it, you should be OK.


Rolling Eyes Only needs to be tested daily if it is an ancillary speed detection device such as VASCAR, Truvello, Lazer or other similar device, if the check was done on a callibrated speedo then once a week is the norm and the check details will be entered into the vehicle log book with the name of the officer doing the check and the certified stopwatch number it was checked against.

The only time this wouldn't apply is if the following check was done by a panda car, in which case the speedo would be checked as soon after the incident as is practicable!
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can get you by timing you between the white squares on the road, they are 1.5 miles apart. I think that's how the early Vascar systems were used.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Risky strategy to dispute video evidence on the basis that it wasn't recorded for the regulation distance. Courts get peeved with amateur lawyers. But you may be lucky, it seems you've nothing to lose anyway. Maybe better to admit to being drawn y the other riders and that you were completely unaware of the speed your were doing and was shocked to find out. Plead for leniency considering your unblemished record so far (it is unblemished isn't it?). Maybe also sign up for an advanced riding course to show your rehabilitation has already begun.

Oh....., nearly forgot, and make sure your sincerity light is switched on!

But 110 is fast though, too fast in fact no matter how good you are. Hopefully you might just get a shed load of points and a big fine. I hope you escape an outright ban, it seems you've already learned your lesson.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 02 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mazza wrote:
But 110 is fast though, too fast in fact no matter how good you are. Hopefully you might just get a shed load of points and a big fine. I hope you escape an outright ban, it seems you've already learned your lesson.


I agree!

Good luck Mike, at least you won't do it again!
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