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Martay
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Sudden Clutch Failure (car) Reply with quote

Hi,
im back after a long break!
My car (Citroen AX) has always worked fine until today...
Set off to college, drove some 4 miles absolutly fine with no abnormal noises or feel, then, pulling away from a roundabout the clutch pedal hit the floor and i couldnt select any gears.
When i stopped i managed to grind it into 1st only for smoke to start pouring through the heater vent every time you try and move off. If you let the cluch up, the car moves slightly forward, but touch the throttle and the engine revs with no change of speed.
The cable has not snapped. What would cause such sudden failure of the clutch? The car has 98K on the clock.
Thanks
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Sudden Clutch Failure (car) Reply with quote

Martay wrote:
Hi,
im back after a long break!
My car (Citroen AX) has always worked fine until today...
Set off to college, drove some 4 miles absolutly fine with no abnormal noises or feel, then, pulling away from a roundabout the clutch pedal hit the floor and i couldnt select any gears.
When i stopped i managed to grind it into 1st only for smoke to start pouring through the heater vent every time you try and move off. If you let the cluch up, the car moves slightly forward, but touch the throttle and the engine revs with no change of speed.
The cable has not snapped. What would cause such sudden failure of the clutch? The car has 98K on the clock.
Thanks



sounds like its disintegrated and game over for the friction plate:down:

hope its not one of these fancy new clutches as there rather dear to replace Crying or Very sad
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Martay
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fancy, new?? What are these!? Its a 1996 Citroen AX! Wink
Cheers. Its in the garage for a quote which im dreading. I was just surprised it stopped dead. I thought that clutches usually fail slowly long before.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutch failure - would imagine the clutch kit is ~£70 and the labour will be 4 hours +/- 1
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martay wrote:
Fancy, new?? What are these!? Its a 1996 Citroen AX! Wink
Cheers. Its in the garage for a quote which im dreading. I was just surprised it stopped dead. I thought that clutches usually fail slowly long before.



duel mass flywheels you may be ok but there on most newish cars from the 90's

ie new clutch for a golf tdi £600+ ffs

check with a clutch fitters etc

ahh i see its already in
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

zzr lon wrote:

duel mass flywheels you may be ok but there on most newish cars from the 90's


Definitely not on the AX
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
zzr lon wrote:

duel mass flywheels you may be ok but there on most newish cars from the 90's


Definitely not on the AX



that is a result then Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 05 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either the center has snapped out of the clutch or the relaise brearing has gone.
Dual mass flywheels you can get convershion Kit but the shitreon ax wont have one. (Dual mass is a load of fucking ***** Most pople convert to save money depence if its cheaper)

I would have said from when you said pedal hit the floor snapped cable or slave leaking but the smoke makeas me think the centers snapped.
And your clutch arm has been digging into the plates Smile £70 for clutch id say about 3hr on shitron ax smae as pug 106 mk1 tbf not a hard job

Tbf if it Mot got much mot left buy another one.
My freinds dad owns a citroen garage and he allways paying £50 or £100 for the dam things as spares for there autograss car .

Its all about do u like the car and what nic its in if good and u like it repaire it if good nic and dont like sell or shit nic and dont like scrapp it

Its all down to what your willing to pay where are you look up pts development ask them how much they would charge
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 06 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

All fixed.
The thrust bearing (?) had gone, the fingery type things, some were bent, most were sticky. The cable was fine.
New clutch kit, bearing and gear linkages + fitting £160! win
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 07 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martay wrote:
All fixed.
The thrust bearing (?) had gone, the fingery type things, some were bent, most were sticky. The cable was fine.
New clutch kit, bearing and gear linkages + fitting £160! win


Fingery type things are the pressure plate, if the thrust bearing wears sometimes it can take the fingers with it - but I'd have thought it's the plate that caused the thrust bearing failure rather than the other way round.

Cheap price that - well played Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 07 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

im guessing plate gave way frist becuase the trust bearing befor they go wine like ****ers if the finger thing gives way they stop working as if cable has snapped
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 07 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving with one's foot on the clutch all the time does contribute to the thrust bearing going through the pressure plate, allegedly. Apparently it's because the thrust bearing is constantly engaged to the pressure plate and wears faster.

Someone told me that years ago.....
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