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Raffles
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 13 Mar 2010    Post subject: Upside down policing Reply with quote

When a restaurant owner confronted miscreants, guess who got banged up?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257496/Curry-house-owner-foils-burglary--HES-thrown-cell-yobs-complain.html

Is it any wonder that so many people have lost faith in the police ''service''?

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PostPosted: 13:39 - 13 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No no!you've got it wrong think of the police as a corporate entity or just as tax collectors. There is are no profits in prosecuting he guilty and the criminals as they have no assets or money for the state to seize.

Therefore they prosecute the innocent precisely because they have money to take in fines and assets to seize.

When you look at it that way it all makes a great deal of sense,

I.e. police protect big corporations

https://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/11/london-olympics-poli.html

And people who protest against them, because corporations pay them money and the people who protest say on anti iraq invasion have assets and money to seize.

It makes no sense to go looking for stolen goods or catch theives as this is unprofitable. Catching people for RTA offences generates shed loads of cash.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 13 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a mate who came home from work one night to find a lad robbing his house. My mate is massive though not muscle just fat so he called the police and stopped the lad from leaving. The police turned up he explained it and got arrested for false imprisonment the lad who robbed his house got nothing.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 13 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

the police were wrong to offer him a caution, but he was wrong to accept it

he should have demanded a trial, no jury would have found him guilty

cautions are a sly way for the police to tricky people into thinking they have to accept a guilty verdict, and so fewer cases go to court
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 13 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe I still live in this pathetic country.

13 years old stealing beer? Kid should be shot. I'm serious.

He gets done? Because they believe the kids word?




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PostPosted: 15:45 - 13 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What an obscenity.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 13 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
the police were wrong to offer him a caution, but he was wrong to accept it

he should have demanded a trial, no jury would have found him guilty

cautions are a sly way for the police to tricky people into thinking they have to accept a guilty verdict, and so fewer cases go to court



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Is the correct answer, and is exactly what I thought when I read the article.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 14 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the view through a scope count as "observed from a distance"?? Wink
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

13 year old kid steals a car, takes the cops on a high speed pursuit and eventually crashes/totals the car.

Punishment was a supervision order and a 1 year driving ban.
(and yes, the 1 year driving ban runs from the time of sentencing, so he can drive again at 14 Question )
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can understand how normal folk will think it the right thing to do to call plod in the sort of circumstances like you find a burglar in your house and what not, but really the only reason the police should be called is for insurance purposes. Unless theres been murder committed the perpetrator is not going to even get close enough to sniff the courtroom.

I was having an arguement in the pub once, where I was generally slagging the police off as you do, one person piped up "Ah yeah but who do you first call when your house has been burgled ay???" I said I'd be phoning the numbers of people I know who live on the estate behind me to keep their ear to the ground to see if any of the gear that got lifted was being offered around and to see if they hear any talk of people doing house robberies (people just looove to talk). This shut the other person up pretty quickly, because it's true, the police aren't even going to bother looking for any stolen stuff, once it's gone, it's gone for good, so why bother? Only so you can claim your insurance, it is the only reason the police should be involved, otherwise you need to deal with whatever yourself in order to

1) Avoid being arrested and given a criminal record for being the victim
2) Have any hope of getting your stuff back or getting "satisfaction"

The last time my mom and dads house was burgled I found out as I got home at 3am after a night ooot on the tap, so was very pissed, and ended up riding around on my mountain bike a four mile radius steering with one hand and swinging a clawhammer in the other. I'm not sure what I expected to find or do but it felt like a good idea at the time.

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PostPosted: 16:38 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:


The last time my mom and dads house was burgled I found out as I got home at 3am after a night ooot on the tap, so was very pissed, and ended up riding around on my mountain bike a four mile radius steering with one hand and swinging a clawhammer in the other. I'm not sure what I expected to find or do but it felt like a good idea at the time.

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Whilst i would probably 'like' to do the same, going after someone after the crime has been commited is taking things to a new level.
Defending your property and home is one thing and i think in todays society it should be legally acceptable, but going after some scrotes equipped with a claw hammer is crossing the line a bit, dont you think. Laughing Wink
Justice and self defence? yes, we need it to be legal.
Vigilantism ? never a good idea.

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PostPosted: 17:17 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devils Advocate wrote:
GhostRider wrote:


The last time my mom and dads house was burgled I found out as I got home at 3am after a night ooot on the tap, so was very pissed, and ended up riding around on my mountain bike a four mile radius steering with one hand and swinging a clawhammer in the other. I'm not sure what I expected to find or do but it felt like a good idea at the time.

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Whilst i would probably 'like' to do the same, going after someone after the crime has been commited is taking things to a new level.
Defending your property and home is one thing and i think in todays society it should be legally acceptable, but going after some scrotes equipped with a claw hammer is crossing the line a bit, dont you think. Laughing Wink

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Justice and self defence? yes, we need it to be legal.
Vigilantism ? never a good idea.

Vigilantism? is that a real word. Very Happy


Dunno mate, I think if communities were more close knit then a collective of people from that community coming together to do a bit of vigilantism woud make criminals think twice.

"Hmm, if I burgle this house and get nabbed by the fuzz, I'll get a slap on the wrist and be out in time to do it again tomorrow night, Winner!!"

or

"Hmm, if I burgle this house and get nabbed by those fuckers going round with balaclavas on, then I might get my teeth smashed out, my legs broken, and dumped naked in the woods...."

I know which I'd find the bigger deterrent. That's obviously over simplified, but you catch my drift.

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PostPosted: 13:54 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
"Hmm, if I burgle this house and get nabbed by those fuckers going round with balaclavas on, then I might get my teeth smashed out, my legs broken, and dumped naked in the woods...."


So just to be sure i'll take my shooter and blow away anyone that gets close
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason vigilantism is illegal is because hot-headed mobs are as likely to string up an innocent person as the guilty.

Bit like the law actually.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
The reason vigilantism is illegal is because hot-headed mobs are as likely to string up an innocent person as the guilty.

Bit like the law actually.


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PostPosted: 16:19 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm more just thinking if I catch you in my house, with my TV in your hands, then chances are, you aint there at 3am to fix it out of the charity of your good nature are you? Guilty, irrevocably.

Yeah you might say they could bring a shooter with them, but to be honest if you're the kind of person thats robbing houses or causing scallywag behaviour then the chances of you owning a gun and ammunition, and being willing to murder people for the sake of a tv and dvd player, is probably slim.

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PostPosted: 20:38 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Upside down policing Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
When a restaurant owner confronted miscreants, guess who got banged up?



It should be noted that 'A boy of 13 was later arrested and charged with burglary with intent.'
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
I'm more just thinking if I catch you in my house, with my TV in your hands, then chances are, you aint there at 3am to fix it out of the charity of your good nature are you? Guilty, irrevocably.

Yeah you might say they could bring a shooter with them, but to be honest if you're the kind of person thats robbing houses or causing scallywag behaviour then the chances of you owning a gun and ammunition, and being willing to murder people for the sake of a tv and dvd player, is probably slim.

GhostRider


The reason why you're also not allowed to just up and shoot an intruder in your house is because of the possibility of somebody inducing an innocent person to 'intrude' so he can be murdered.

This was found to be a problem in the US back in the 20s/30s, where innocent people were set up to look like they were robbing a bank etc and then shot for the reward. The house-intruder scenario has also been pulled in more recent times.

It's the same deal as with most other things that have been banned, the rights of the many infringed because of the acts of a few. And the law is thustly held in contempt. And deservedly so.
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